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    Hi there,

    I've posted this here because I'm not sure what's wrong with my Prado. I'm hoping someone can help. I've posted in an older thread about this issue but thought I'd start a new one to track progress just in case someone else has a similar problem they're trying to fix.

    It's a dual fuel Prado, 250k kms, 1999.

    Problem 1: Slight whine/whistle, like a dry bearing from the front of the car. Thinking front Diff or front wheel bearing but haven't ruled out CVs (not clicking when parking though). The noise is present when the vehicle is in motion, gets louder with speed and engine load. Reduces when cruising on a level road, gets louder though once the engine/drivetrain loads, say up a slight incline. Still present when coasting in N. No change swerving left to right and is consistent regardless of road surface and no rotational hum which is typical with a dying wheel bearing. I'm about to have the diff fluids changed, and am thinking of getting the xfer case and gearbox flushed also. The colour of the fluids should tell me what condition the components are in. Any other ideas?

    Problem 2: Car vibrates under load at low revs. This happens when cruising and slightly loading up the drivetrain, can't be replicated in the driveway. Disappears on a level road or if you come off the accelerator. No wobble in N at any speed so can't be wheel/tyre related. I did a bunch of reading and thought it was the drive shaft or u-joints. Had them both removed, inspected and re-balanced at a specialist. They said the splines were slightly loose, so reversed the front w/rear and it tightened up, they also said the shaft was slightly bent but rebalanced it and the u-joints were loose, needed tightening and new clips. This has almost completely eliminated the wobble/vibration when running on lpg. Running on petrol though, the car lurches significantly at low revs (1.5k -2.2krpm) when loading up the motor as though it's missing. In the driveway the car is fine reving in N but in D it does shake the car at 2k rpm (lpg is smooth). I think this is a seperate problem to the drive shafts to be honest but manifests in similar situation to the driveshaft issue. Any ideas where to start?

    Any advice appreciated. Thanks.

  • #2
    I thought I'd continue to share my progress on this just in case someone else finds it helpful.

    So the vibration is still there at speed on lpg but is less violent than before. Seems that most of the movement is in the front now. As an update, even when coming off the accelerator there is still a slight vibration like an out of balance tyre from the front.

    I went to get my tyres road force balanced on a hunter machine to make sure the tyres are true. The guys inspected the tyres but refused to put them on the machine as they are in the early stages of dry rot. I can see minor cracks between the thread and some tyres have minor cracks at the top of the sidewall.

    I think I am dealing with seperate issues now but suspect they are aggravating each other:

    1. Car running very rough on petrol but not LPG (can be replicated in the driveway). When moving and under load at low rpm (the lower the more noticeable) causes a violent vibration similar to a miss which can be felt through the steering. LPG isn't super smooth but acceptable. Thinking injectors, plugs or mounts.
    2. Car vibrating at speed, only replicated when moving. The vibration is MUCH stronger when accelerating, but does not disappear completely when coasting/in N. (Wheel bearings or tyres)?
    3. Whine/whistle, appear to be coming from the front left of the car, not related to rpm. louder as speed increases. (Wheel bearing?)

    The car is booked next week to get the 1st problem checked. While he is looking at it, he'll do the diff oils and check the bearings, see is that helps #2. I'm trying to narrow down the problem so that I don't need to change parts needlessly.

    Can dry rotting tyres cause freeway speed vibrations as described in #2? I understand that the balance and road force dynamics of the sidewall can be affected causing a wobble and helicopter sound in some cases. What's got me stumped is that it gets worse under slight load, which I would normally think is a tyre issue.

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    • #3
      OK so just an update,

      Had the tyres changed over to a new set of hankook atm and the car feels more stable at 100 but the vibration/missing sensation remained. Also I must say the difference in noise/comfort is minimal compared to the old ht tyres... Very pleased.

      I had the diff and xfer case fluids changed, no sign of metal in them although it was noted that the xfer case was a little noisey on the hoist. The bearings and engine mounts checked out OK.

      Had the injectors changed and this has fixed problem #1 and most of #2. The whistle remains.

      So something else must be contributing to the slight vibration/helicopter type rumble at 100km/h. My next step is to have the suspension and steering rack thoroughly checked over, the steering wheel does get thrown around a little when hitting holes, I'm thinking a rack end or rack mounts might be loose or worn.

      Anyone with any other tips of what to check next?

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      • #4
        Anyone? I'm starting to get mixed opinions from every mechanic I've talked to. So far I've had: transmission, diff, xfer case. I can't help but feel these are just guesses, as I'd expect all these problems to be present all the time not just when cruising at 100 under slight load.
        Suspension guys did pick up warped rotors and the ball joints need replacing. I wouldn't have thought either of these would cause the noise/vibration.

        I'm leaning towards a cv or uni or maybe even wheel bearing, although suspension guys said they checked out good.

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        • #5
          Its not the "Drone" that the 90 series 3.4 litre petrol engine has at approx 2800 RPM is it ?

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          • #6
            Hey mate,

            No I get the drone which I don't really care about, but this is 10 times worse. It happens at about 2100rpm, 100km/h top gear, sounds like a jackhammer (thud thud thud thud thud, about twice per second), can be felt most through the drivers side floor, mainly near the accelerator pedal. Disengaging O/D seems to get rid of it, but I think it's just the drone drowning it out. dropping to N and letting it coast down changed the hammering to a groaning. Smooth running in D if the road is a slight decline.

            You can't feel it through the xfer case selector or auto gear stick, only a slight vibration through the steering wheel.

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