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    Hi all
    I am looking to fit a suspension lift to my 150. I have read many threads and have found that most people are happy with their chosen kit. There are very few negative comments on any of the kits, maybe that is the rules of the forum, I am not sure. I have come from a JK Wrangler where the choice of shock and spring can make a massive difference to the ride quality and went through probably 4 different coils and shocks before settling on the right kit, which many others have done as well. I am not looking to do that again, hence my post
    Are there any kits to stay away from.
    I am looking at all brands, but am particularly interested in the Bilstein / Dobinson or King option. I have looked at the ARB kit as the safe bet, however my experience with ARB coils and shock in the JK is not positive, my mate has also installed the kit in his 150 and has now a 75mm lift in the rear and 35mm lift up front, using the exact coils that several ARB shops have recommended for me.
    The rear Bilstein shocks seem a little short, but I have noticed many people using the 80series longer shock -I am not sure how these shocks designed for a heavier vehicle would effect the ride.
    So are there any kits to stay away from, or do most kits provide similar ride characteristics, unlike my experience with the JK?
    My truck is my daily drive, I tow a boat every couple of weeks with a draw bar weight of 75kg, and I load up and go camping probably six times a year.
    Thanks

  • #2
    There are no rules that say you cant say you had issues with a particular suspension or product, apart from normal defamation laws where you cant tell lies basically. So if everyone is pretty much reporting they are happy with individual kits then I would suggest that most kits are pretty good.

    I run standard (not heavy duty) OME 80 series shocks in the rear of my 120 and am very happy with the ride, I know a member who ran the heavier nitro sports and removed them quickly due to the rough ride, although I probably carry more weight as normal than he does, so horses for courses there.

    Honestly I think any of the major well known brands will serve you well, provided you get the springs matched to your load.

    Cheers Andrew
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    • #3
      The key to any suspension set up is making sure you match the spring rates and capacity to the loads you are going to carry. Then match the shocks. I don't know that anyone has bothered to do the 80 series shocks thing on a 150. I, and others, have the TJM gold and I really like it. I have a steel bar, D4D and no dual battery or winch. At the back I either have the rear seats in or the fridge and mounting board and auxiliary battery so pretty much the same weight. I also have polyair bags in the rear springs for one off load increases like camping (back loaded up and 50kg or so in the roofrack) or towing a heavy load. Even then I rarely put more that 100 kPa in the bags. My set up is very comfortable with good flex. If I was to fit a winch then I would go up a spring at the front.

      Sometimes people do things progressively like adding a winch a year or so after the suspension. Springs are cheap.
      My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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      • #4
        The rear Bilstein shocks seem a little short, but I have noticed many people using the 80series longer shock -I am not sure how these shocks designed for a heavier vehicle would effect the ride.


        I don't think you will be upset with the ride quality with these rear shocks fitted.
        They are a good option for longer travel in the 150's.

        Regards, Jason.

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        • #5
          Thanks guys, I am leaning towards the Bilstein / Dominson or King combo. Ordered the bull bar today so will need to get my act together.
          I also started to look at the Koni's but it is a little difficult to find out much information on the Koni's.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jkspinner View Post
            Thanks guys, I am leaning towards the Bilstein / Dominson or King combo. Ordered the bull bar today so will need to get my act together.
            I also started to look at the Koni's but it is a little difficult to find out much information on the Koni's.

            I can give you any info you would like on the Koni's.
            They are brilliant, but expensive as you MUST run the 88 Series Koni front in raised applications.
            The 82 Series will suffice for the rear.
            They will still be in it in 10 years!

            Regards, Jason.

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            • #7
              I have a 2" lift in the VX with bilstein shocks with King Springs ( KTFR 121 & KTRR 102) seems to be a good combo great ride improvement over the stock.
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              • #8
                Hi all, I ended up with the Dobinson/ Bilstein combo, but went with the Custom Cal offroad set. Cal was great to deal with and the option of using 80 series shocks in the rear, or a longer set, but valves to the Prado sounded great. Have only just fitted with ARB bull bar, ended up with approx 2" of lift up front, and close to 3 in the rear.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wholesalesuspension View Post
                  The rear Bilstein shocks seem a little short, but I have noticed many people using the 80series longer shock -I am not sure how these shocks designed for a heavier vehicle would effect the ride.


                  I don't think you will be upset with the ride quality with these rear shocks fitted.
                  They are a good option for longer travel in the 150's.

                  Regards, Jason.
                  Jason,
                  Could you foresee any issues running the longer 80 series shocks in the rear of a 150 with airbags installed and the rubber spring locators cut down for the bags to sit on, ie would the extra travel be likely to cause springs to dislodge when at full extension (I also have superior 2" heavy duty sway bar links installed)? The short rear shock length of the bilstein has been one of my complaints.

                  Also, are off the shelf Bilstein 80 series shocks a straight bolt up solution to the 150 or do they need to be modified to fit (ie mounting bolt holes drilled or re-valved)?

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                  • #10
                    The 80 series rear shock are a straight bolt up solution, however they are only 10mm longer than the Prado shocks, 691 vs 681mm extended. You can buy the Caloffroad version which has been revolved for the Prado. The only issue is the Top bolt/pin is much longer, extending to about 5mm from the chassis which means you cannot hold the shaft still while you tighten the lock nut. I replaced the lock nut with a spring washer and nut to overcome this. As the shaft is so long, you can also add 10mm spacers to the shaft under the lower isolator washer, effectively giving you additional travel and allowing room to use an Allen key to tighten the shaft.

                    Originally posted by rwo View Post
                    Jason,
                    Could you foresee any issues running the longer 80 series shocks in the rear of a 150 with airbags installed and the rubber spring locators cut down for the bags to sit on, ie would the extra travel be likely to cause springs to dislodge when at full extension (I also have superior 2" heavy duty sway bar links installed)? The short rear shock length of the bilstein has been one of my complaints.

                    Also, are off the shelf Bilstein 80 series shocks a straight bolt up solution to the 150 or do they need to be modified to fit (ie mounting bolt holes drilled or re-valved)?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jkspinner View Post
                      The 80 series rear shock are a straight bolt up solution, however they are only 10mm longer than the Prado shocks, 691 vs 681mm extended. .
                      Should that be 591 vs 581? Not all 80 series shocks are the same measurements. I run Old Man Emu N71E 80 series shocks in my 120, they are 620 mm open and are a standard duty shock for the 80 so seem to work nicely on my 120.

                      Cheers Andrew
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                      • #12
                        Hi Jkspinner, sorry for the late reply. I didn't see your post.

                        Have talked to a couple of suppliers recently & in the 150's they re all using the 80 series rear shocks for the extra length.

                        Regards, Jason

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Jason
                          AJ120 - yes sorry, 581,591 is what I meant
                          There are Bilsteins that are 620mm long, but I am not sure which vehicle they are off.
                          Si I take it that the 620mm shocks do not unseat at full flex, I assume your rear coils are around 400mm free height. Did you require any other mods such as brake line drop brackets etc

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