Best Diesel Fuel?

[D4Dforme Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close D4Dforme]

Here in Darwin the fuel all comes from one common place........Vopak fuel terminal.......I have worked there and can tell you for a fact that there is no difference in Caltex to BP diesel fuel up here so we might aswell buy the cheapest avaliable.

[alternative Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close alternative]

My vehicle is still under factory warranty so would be covered anyway (Toyota pays for repairs rather than having to chase up the fuel supplier and pin the damage on the fuel) but if people like to have this peace of mind then fair enough.

Toyota can wash their hands of the problem because you have filled up at random servos with no consistency and theres a good chance they will not pay for repairs, its up to you to prove you have been proactive and filled the car with good Diesel. If you have paper trail documenting where you have bought your fuel and a guarantee from BP on the fuel you used, it could be left for Toyota and BP to sort the bill out between them..... which is more than likely Toyota fixing it like they should because you have provided them with proof.

Thats my take on it and its not taking much effort to fill with UD so i will continue to do so.

[kieranu Member Find all posts View Profile Close kieranu]

Not random - I always buy from Caltex Woolworth and it's nearly always from one of two stations in Perth Metro (once in Geraldton just to be sure I made it back home from Kalbarri) and I have receipts to prove it since I always pay with the same Amex credit card. The only time I didn't use Caltex Woolworth was in Denham because it doesn't exist there but the fuel would have either been BP or Caltex, can't remember which off the top of my head.

Actually, it would be down to Toyota to prove that there was some element of the fuel that caused the problem (unlikely if it is produced to Australian standards) so to say something to the contrary is pure scaremongering. I also don't use fuel additives which a lot of people do and in their case that could potentially void both the Toyota and BP guarantees.

I don't fill up with BP Ultimate because it would cost me a minimum of 10% extra a go to use effectively the same fuel.

[JoshF Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close JoshF]

So what did everybody do when BP wasn't able to offer the ultimate product and had to sell normal diesel? From memory the supply problem went in for a number of months.

Always get a receipt when refuelling...I suspect the fuel station and maybe their supplier will be paying for repairs and not the vehicle manufacturer.

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

This thread is getting to the point of being hilarious, I can't believe how people can get so excited about what brand of fuel they put in the tank

Forget about all the numbers and the documents and all that stuff and lets apply a bit of common sense. Joe average has never heard of cetane before and i have never seen a cetane number / index or anything listed on a bowser. So I go and buy my first ever diesel and the salesman smiles at me as I drive out the showroom and the first thing I do is go and fill up with fuel because I didn't get a full tank in the deal, so it's got just enough to get me to the nearest servo. If Toyota can stiff me on warranty because of the wrong brand of fuel do they seriously expect people to read through the manual (page 337 in mine) to find a short sentence about cetane index and then spend hours reasearching different fuel brands to find out the Cetane Index?

Come on folks, if certain companies were selling fuel not upto the standards needed by Toyota then they (Toyota) would have a duty of care to let the consumer know. Heck our Local Toyota dealer is in a town that doesn't even have a BP servo, so you can guess what brand they don't put in the cars they sell and drive every day.

The fact of the matter is that my book says minimum cetane index should be 45, the Australian standard is 46 and typically higher so it shouldn't matter what brand you use.

If your fuel causes a mechanical fault I imagine it is up to you to prove that point, if you prove it then regardless of the fuel company they are liable for the repairs if their substandard product caused the fault, the only question is whether BP will argue less than other companies if this situation arises.

So if the gaurantee is important to you, buy BP, if price is important to you, buy the cheapest, if you want to drive your Prado around the outback, buy whatever you can get, Its pretty common in remote areas for servos to run out of fuel, so you buy what you can when you can. I should point out that I normally fill up with BP, cause I get it so cheap you would all throw stones at me if I told you how cheap, but when I travel whatever is convenient or cheap is best. Nearly 60,000k on this one and not a single issue with Injectors, filters, anything motor wise (touch wood)

Cheers Andrew

[JoshF Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close JoshF]

This thread is getting to the point of being hilarious, I can't believe how people can get so excited about what brand of fuel they put in the tank

Agreed, it all sounds a little precious to me

[kieranu Member Find all posts View Profile Close kieranu]

Indeed - people on these forums seem to need to be presented with facts to counter their conspiracy theories but then still won't believe them when presented with them. They'll probably argue that Toyota aren't telling you that you need to use BP Ultimate fuel because they want you to come back with a ruined engine so they can get more money out of you when you pay for the repairs because they don't care about having lousy customer service and getting your return service. Blah blah blah.

Most of the people working at the Toyota dealerships probably don't know cetane ratings from a hole in the ground and have the same misguided beliefs with respect to variations in fuel quality the majority of people here seem to share and 95% of people that buy Prados probably rarely get off the bitumen or give a second thought to what fuel they put in and don't find their engines blowing up after their second fill of Gull.

Marketing in a free market consumer economy is a beautiful thing and BP have obviously done a fantastic job with a certain sector. I would have never thought about putting BP in my car (given it's normally ludicrous cost here) before I came across this thread.

[alternative Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close alternative]

Its is about as precious and hilarious as any other debate yous all take part in here. What tyre, what compressor, what snorkle blah blah blah.... what colour is your Prado ?

Its a discussion the same as every other thread on this forum, if you dont want use a certain fuel, dont use it, but its still the ONLY FUEL IN OZ that has a guarantee, stick that on you list of presented facts and conspiracy theories for "people on the forum"

[Bushbasher Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close Bushbasher]

You can never really tell where the fuel sold by the various retail outlets actually comes from. In WA, a lot of fuel arrives by rail or boat from different places. I've seen tankers painted in Shell colours dropping fuel off at Caltex outlets. I have seen no-name tankers dropping fuel off at BP outlets. I reckon they blend it just like wine. It's a bit like buying beer from the tap at the boozer - sometimes the Carlton Mid tastes just like Emu Export.

[AJ120 Out of control poster! Find all posts View Profile Close AJ120]

its still the ONLY FUEL IN OZ that has a guarantee

Well thats only partly true, all fuels would be covered by a statutory warranty the same as any other product. Does BP's warranty offer anything more than the statutory warranty would?

Cheers Andrew

[blkd4d Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close blkd4d]

Bushbasher . Your correct We have bp and caltex trucks come in to shell all the time . Bp mostly for diesel it's just a different additive that goes in .

[rags Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close rags]

When i buy my diesel, usually my biggest decision is, do i have a can of coke or try pepsi instead,and chocolate paddlepop or banana.

[SWR Banned Find all posts View Profile Close SWR]

Gday ##########

Have you read this thread from beginning to end?..... Not only is this thread now getting repetitive despite all proof brought forward that "BP" is no greater or purer than the other big fuel suppliers!

Quote: With the CRD engines it is particularly important to use a quality diesel fuel.

Answer: This i fully agree when it comes to "ALL" common rail diesel engines... When you look @ Government guide lines that are set in concrete which are then backed-up and enforced by the ACCC and followed by the fair trade act you can already see that the fuel quality is already of a acceptance quality irrespective to who is selling it.

Quote: The only company in Australia that has any sort of guarantee on the quality of their product is BP.

Answer: "WRONG" The quality guarantee that "BP" give on there fuel is "NO" different than the guarantee of "ALL" the other major fuel companies which have to follow the government guidelines that are set and the consumer is protected by the fair trade acts and ACCC Which was set by the government.

"BP's" Favorite and continual Blurb Quote: BP reserves the right to vary this specification from time to time without notice provided the product continues to meet legislative requirements.

Read there Guarantee (BP) and tell me how theirs differs from current legislation that applies to all fuel distributors.
http://www.bp.com/retail/liveassets/...4pp_DL_WEB.PDF

Take the time to read the so called bullet-proof BP guarantee and you will soon learn that it is "NO" more superior than the fair trade acts/ government guid lines as "BP" continually state that there fuel "Always meets the "legislative requirements"........ The same requirments that "ALL" the other fuel suppliers have to meet.

RE-CAP on full thread:

Diesel Fuel Quality Standard
http://www.environment.gov.au/atmosp...sel/index.html

accc.gov Petrol Monitoring Report Chapter 6 Biofuels. Read it all!
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item....hapter%206.pdf

Service Station Assosiation
http://www.ssa.org.au/

Oilcode Dispute Resolution Adviser (DRA)
http://www.oilcodedra.com.au/index.html

What is the Oilcode?
http://www.oilcodedra.com.au/oilcode.html

Cheers

[Riv39 Advanced Member Find all posts View Profile Close Riv39]

Totally agree John re fuel quality, why else does TCM Aus put an additional seperate piece of paper into the owners manual of every 150 diesel sold in Aus that warns you to by a good quaility fuel etc.

Remember this is in addition to anything in the manual and apears unique to the Aus market.

[kieranu Member Find all posts View Profile Close kieranu]

I guess we're all agreed, BP has a great marketing department and from the responses on this thread and other threads on other forums it has been pretty successful in convincing people that BP have a fuel quality and guarantee than no-one else can offer LOL.