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  • #16
    i laugh every time i see someone driving a hybrid. they are tootling along thinking they are saving money on fuel and saving the planet . figures recently released ( im trying to remember , top gear or the , oh thats right CHOICE magazine , an independant body )
    QUOTE " the claim is 3.9/100km we measured 4.6/100km 18% more than claimed . at current petrol prices and using the claimed consumption , it would take more than 20 YEARS to make up the difference between the prius i tech purchase price and a toyota corrolla .even the basic prius would take more than 10 years to break even " end quote . i will also cite another article from the 2008 dogs and lemons guide which claimed in a nutshell the a study was produced by us university that the prius was indeed the 3rd most polluting vehicle on the planet . this was from a study that took into account the amount of energy used from design concept through to final destruction and disposal of the vehicle . maybe we should take a look at the process of nickel mining and then say how good these vehicles are for the planet . end rant . wait for it .
    03 grande v6 , with added stuff that makes it go places . RTFM people !
    founding member of the " you don't need all that crap on a prado association "
    "you only use 15% of your brain " Einstein . " so why not burn off the other 85% " Cheech & Chong .
    petrol , petrol ,petrol , you know it makes sense ! im kavpetrolbitch

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    • #17
      flatearthers..........
      Its nice for you to quote Choice, now look up the latest article on the new Camry hybrid. I will let you read it and quote the story.
      If you cannot see the benefit of 50-150Kw coming in with 100-300Nm all at low revs in a 4 wheel drive environment, then you are just focusing on the negatives.
      When they get the weight of the system down and the cost of production down to about half of what its currently is, it will be be a good system. To keep enjoying large cars like the Prado in the future, it may well mean that they need to be a hybrid of some sort.

      In the VAG group, Audi, VW, Porsche and then Ferrari and many others are all looking at building or have got a hybrid system. Typically V6`fuel economy with V8 performance. It may well all be a marketing thing so that you can drive a big car or sports car with a clear conscious. Guess what, the Prado is abig car.

      We have a Prius at work, its a pile of dog poo, its suck the driving goodness and your living soul out of you. Its probably the worst examples of its type.

      But in the future, which is what is says right at the top of this thread, Toyota may well offer this on the Prado and it maybe the best thing since sliced bread.
      stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
      but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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      • #18
        I'm not sure why, but the Hybrid Camry has a braked (and unbraked) towing capacity of 300KG vs the Petrol Camry that has a braked towing capacity of >1000KG (can't remember exactly). The Hybrid has more power and (I would assume) suitably rated brakes and I'm guessing the chassis/Uni-body is the same or very similar to the Petrol Camrys.

        Have Toyota simply not bothered to get it rated for a higher towing capacity or are Hybrids/Electrics inherently unsuitable for heavy towing?
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        • #19
          The big improvements will come when the electric motors are at the wheels not connected via driveshafts. From a 4wd perspective they could be unreal. In tandem with traction control that varies power dependent on traction/weight/surface you would have the ultimate wheeled off road vehicle .

          I dont even consider the environmental advantages just the technological/performance advantages.

          Think about this (with an open mind and forget the environmental side when you do)

          Imagine an all electric vehicle with a replaceable fuel cell.
          Your house has solar power so you are not connected to the grid.
          During the day the solar power is stored at home and transferred to your vehicle at night.
          When you travel you swap the fuel cell at the servo. You can carry a spare fuel cell like you would a jerry can.
          At work you can plug into a bank of solar rechargers during the day. Topped up for the trip home.

          Think of the benefits you get -Your power and the majority of your 'fuel' costs are based on the costs of the setup at home and not 'the market' or whether or not the middle east has a crisis. The vehicle is filled up every night and ready to go. The thing is silent - driving in the bush would be even better. Power delivery is far better than anything petrol or diesel can meet.

          There is also work on contactless transmission for recharging thats not far off. Pull in to the garage and it charges. All good stuff.

          The prius is a bridge atm. They are using them as taxis down here so there must be savings long term.
          2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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          • #20
            I would prefer if we kept politics out of it, start a separate thread, way too many uninformed views around. I work in the electricity industry, on the coal generating side, this has been overdue.
            maxjj
            Senior Member
            Last edited by maxjj; 14-05-2012, 05:55 PM.
            stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
            but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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            • #21
              a hybrid threat, can be just about the car and doesn`t need to be about politics.

              I agree with the carbon tax. It may not be the ideal solution, but its better than nothing.
              Time we took energy efficiency serious. My electrician told me I was silly to install double glazed windows, it would have been cheaper to install an air conditioner.
              It maybe hard to believe but the world will not end with the Carbon tax. Half the money raised will be handed back, basically that means the average Australian will get a tax cut. The higher income earners, as usual will pay more. The other money will be available for projects like you mentioned that were given no federal support of finance package. Again its better than doing nothing.

              Germany simply offered a gross price per kw imported into the grid. I don`t understand you explanation of the green energy, your second paragraph. I also don`t understand how the carbon tax locks the average Australian out of getting a solar system...
              The systems are getting cheaper all the time and as electricity prices rise they may become more viable.

              The German solar industry is in trouble, its a poor example to use. As solar to grid has increased the subsidies offered need to be paid for and the cost of that is now outweighing its worth as an energy contributor. In fact it has caused electricity prices to increase more. Current wind and solar is too unreliable. The off-shore wind farms are more reliable, but are way behind mainly due to delays in building transmission lines.

              In West Victoria / Mortlake they are building a 550MW open cycle gas turbine, not combined cycle. How can they get away with that?
              It maybe less Carbon intensive, but it could be even better if it was combined cycle. How can governments approve that?
              stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
              but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by maxjj View Post
                a hybrid threat, can be just about the car and doesn`t need to be about politics.

                I agree with the carbon tax. It may not be the ideal solution, but its better than nothing.
                The comment I am about to make is not political because its only about the policy.....

                I think its worse than nothing mainly because it makes a lot of people feel good about effecting change whilst actually not doing anything about it.

                "Climate change, oh thats been fixed with the (insert whatever policy)".

                Australia is a fantastic country full of fantastic people. We are smarter than the silly squabbling over party politics. Put our minds to it and we can make ourselves sustainable in all we need including renewable energy. We will probably be moving house soon and I am looking forward to building our new place with a lot of energy saving and producing stuff. I am even discussing with our soon to be 17you if he wants to build an electric car from a late model vehicle that has been written off due to the engine being damaged (engine bay fire etc).

                cheers

                Oh, and I want my electric prado
                2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by williade View Post
                  I'm not sure why, but the Hybrid Camry has a braked (and unbraked) towing capacity of 300KG vs the Petrol Camry that has a braked towing capacity of >1000KG (can't remember exactly). The Hybrid has more power and (I would assume) suitably rated brakes and I'm guessing the chassis/Uni-body is the same or very similar to the Petrol Camrys.

                  Have Toyota simply not bothered to get it rated for a higher towing capacity or are Hybrids/Electrics inherently unsuitable for heavy towing?
                  I would imagine it has to do with the higher tare weight of the hybrid (all the batteries, cabling, controllers and assorted electricery stuff), same as the 4 door Prado has a lower tow capacity than a 3 door.
                  My 2 cents worth the carbon tax will do nothing to change the behaviors of those who will be paying, they will just pass all the cost onto their customers. Eg what can a coal fired power station operator do to change, coal is cheap and they make a lot of money from supplying power, the alternative to coal is LNG also a fossil fuel, or they shut down the station and that won't happen while it's making money. Let's Julia say that she has done something without actually doing anything and a side bonus of more tax for the government.
                  Kev,

                  2010 Silver 5dr GXL, Auto, diesel, ARB Deluxe bar, ARB bash plates, lightforce 170's, safari snorkel, towbar, dual batteries, air bags, trans cooler, Kings/Koni's, ARB rack, Cooper S/T Maxx's, Rock Tamers, Beaudesert 2.75" exhaust and more to come.

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                  • #24
                    here is a write up on the hybrid system in the Lexus GS 450H

                    The 215kW/352Nm 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine now employs a more efficient Atkinson cycle system, as used on other Toyota hybrids such as the four-cylinder Prius and Camry Hybrid. This design delays the intake valve closing for reduced compression volume but a higher compression ratio of 13:1.
                    As before, the petrol engine runs in concert with two electric motors – one that acts primarily as an electricity generator and the other as the main drive motor.

                    The 147kW/275Nm electric drive motor powers the rear wheels via a new and more efficient planetary-gear continuously variable transmission (CVT), this time with paddle-shift levers.

                    http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257A00001981B2
                    stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
                    but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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                    • #25
                      We will get a V6 diesel long before we get a gaybred.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MidLifeCrisis View Post
                        We will get a V6 diesel long before we get a gaybred.
                        And buy the time we see electric Prado's, every track in the country will be gated off anyway. My wife and I took the Tardis for a run up to Stockton Beach this morning.
                        Landed on the sand in 2042 AD. Had a lot of fun at the segway 4wd club day.

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                        2008 Diesel Prado with extra stuff added. I drive it on the road and other places too.

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                        • #27
                          This thread came up in a google search I was passing by, funny how 5 years ago prado owners were all certain of the V6 Turbo....

                          Maybe the 'gaybred' is closer than we think in the next model considering the days of the standard diesel are numbered for passenger vehicles.



                          SAMUEL
                          [I]Maroochydore, Sunshine Coast, Queensland[/I]
                          1999 Toyota Landcruiser Prado RV 4cyl 2.7L Manual, Lifted 2-3" on Dobinson Springs & Shocks, Cooper STT Max Mud-Terrains in 235/85R16 all-round 32", Custom no Bullbar winch mount with Runva 11XP Winch, Black Sliders, 10000 Lumen, LED Lightbar

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                          • #28
                            Fully electric is the way to go imho. Hybrids are great, dont get me wrong, but smart automated electric cars (not the smart brand) are the future. Tesla is making leaps and bounds with the tech and they're not neccessarily the future but other brands that are playing catch up might be.

                            Imagine a traffic congested city where networked cars figure out the best way to navigate through a jam. And then do it for you.

                            All we are really doing right now is seeing car companies showboating. But that then leads to real people cars. The tesla model 3 is a good example of what will probably be the first mass produced practical electric car that does the job well.

                            The mitsu outlander phev is a great idea but imho remove the front engine and replace it with evenly distributed batteries. The bmw i3 and i8 are just the start.

                            Dont get me wrong, batteries are not made for touring yet, but one day, they will be. Computers can impersonate the required driving feel. The combination might be 50yrs off but it will get there. Technology has a habit of exceeding expectations given enough public interest.

                            Frankly we wont have a practical choice in our daily drivers in 20-25 years. It will be economically destroying to have a carbon based industry to make a country's economy survive once the un and/ free trade agreements finally get around to mandating emissions schemes.

                            Im no environut, but the writings on the wall, and we'll be left behind if we dont invest in clean technology. Its not about how much waste is generated moving rare earths and components around, its about what happens when those waste numbers are reduced, you want to be at the head of the pack.

                            Jm2c.

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                            • #29
                              If it were me I would go with a diesel electric. - Electric motor in each wheel.
                              Greg - 08 D4D Prado,
                              Some trips done - Cape York, Fraser Island, Simpson Desert / Central Aust, Vic High Country.

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                              • #30
                                yeah we all just have to hang out for long endurance batteries, or maybe even increased regeneration capacity while driving, rather than just braking. one day it will come.

                                easier to install 1 or 2 electric chargers at roadhouses than it is to have to get fuel out to them. there is a lot of pluses to to tech of the future

                                SAMUEL
                                [I]Maroochydore, Sunshine Coast, Queensland[/I]
                                1999 Toyota Landcruiser Prado RV 4cyl 2.7L Manual, Lifted 2-3" on Dobinson Springs & Shocks, Cooper STT Max Mud-Terrains in 235/85R16 all-round 32", Custom no Bullbar winch mount with Runva 11XP Winch, Black Sliders, 10000 Lumen, LED Lightbar

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