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  • 120 Recovery Points

    I dont like to come on here and sell but a few guys keep emailing me.

    Outback Ideas Recovery Points.

    $130 rrp

    Prado point Members $119 free freight and $120 for us to fit.

    Regards

    Giles

    This is an old pics sorry all i could find (Thanks Boomslang! )


  • #2
    Thanks Giles, but to my knowledge these do not fit when you have an ARB Deluxe Winch Bar as the two bolts in your picture are used by the winch bar and also the chassis mount brackets on the winch bar are shaped such that they do not allow your recovery points to be fitted.

    am i right or wrong? can they fit my ARB Deluxe Winch Bar ?

    do you remove the whole bar to fit and then replace the bar?

    here are some picture from mine that may help:



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    Last edited by PradOz; 21-06-2011, 10:29 AM. Reason: photos added
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    • #3
      Moved to for sale section...
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      • #4
        anyone have any info on these fitting with my arb deluxe bar???

        i have been informed that: "They mount near the Radiator along the rail.They dont mount via the Bar." but i am buggered if i know how???

        any ideas or suggestions appreciated for fitting these to my 120 - HELP!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by PradOz View Post
          anyone have any info on these fitting with my arb deluxe bar???
          Doesn't your arb bar already have built in recovery points? Mine does.
          [SIZE=1]Cheers Jim.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ozpat View Post
            Doesn't your arb bar already have built in recovery points? Mine does.
            in short ... NO

            I just bought the 2 chassis mounting brackets from ARB ($34 each) to replace the two i have that do not have the recovery loops on the end. Mine is the first model deluxe bar ARB made and they never had them.

            interestingly when i was buying these two brackets, an ARB manager came over and said to me (and the salesman) that they are not rated recovery points and are not designed as recovery points. He said "they are for towing only" So there you go! He also said "ARB are aware that there is a lot of interest in recovery points for the 120 series but they are not currently discussing or planning to do anything about this presently or in the near future or if at all" He also said off the record "why dont you stiffen them up and weld an additional plate to the side to stiffen them up and brace them" He also added :"if you were stuck somewhere you would use anything in your means to get out including the ARB towing loops" He said he would not comment on any other manufacturers recovery points aftermarket or otherwise

            I am sick of reading all the discussion on these ARB bars and the need for rated recovery points. There seems to be so many "official" answers and opinions with no one doing too much about it. I guess until people boycott buying the ARB bars in numbers thay wont listen.

            So back to my bar, i am trying to find a welder....a man with a welder that is, and some red paint too. Hoping a mate will come good and call in over the next couple days and we can stiffen these up and fit them. they have a real weak attempt of welding on them straight out of ARB that is. will take some photos later on. and people worry about the toyota weld on their hold down/towing/recovery points or whatever you want to call them. toyotas looks perfect on the prado compared to the arb mess on these brand new brackets
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            • #7
              This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

              [SIZE=1]Cheers Jim.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ozpat View Post
                This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.
                They are NOT rated
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by D4D View Post
                  They are NOT rated
                  Anchored at three points, much bigger than Outback Ideas (which I still have pre bullbar) although about 3 mil thinner, I'm surprised to hear that. If they are not rated I don't know what is. I've done a few recoveries with them without dramas. Now you've got me worried, D4D.

                  Cheers
                  [SIZE=1]Cheers Jim.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ozpat View Post
                    Anchored at three points, much bigger than Outback Ideas (which I still have pre bullbar) although about 3 mil thinner, I'm surprised to hear that. If they are not rated I don't know what is. I've done a few recoveries with them without dramas. Now you've got me worried, D4D.
                    ARB won't put a rating on them due to liability. I would and do use them but remember anything will break when abused.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ozpat View Post
                      This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

                      yep thats what i am missing on mine and they are what ARB say are towing points not recovery points as per what i previously posted

                      stressful hey
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                      • #12
                        Hey Guys

                        My plan is to Strengthen these points with some 1/4 inch plate before putting the bar on, that should make them strong enough.

                        Has anyone else considered doing this.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tazdevil View Post
                          Hey Guys

                          My plan is to Strengthen these points with some 1/4 inch plate before putting the bar on, that should make them strong enough.

                          Has anyone else considered doing this.
                          yep, thats what i am doing, well my mate will be doing for me. i am going to fill the back side where all the gaps are. here is a thread that shows someone elses welding work on these because his were bent in a recovery --> http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...ecovery+points Have a look at it from reply 76 onwards and you will see before and after weld photos. He has lots of photos including the bent brackets. i am going to do something very similar and will also try to add a plate to one side to try increase the thickness of the loop section if it can be done without impeding something else..the one common thing i keep hearing from ARB, and all the other 4wd stores i have been to trying to search out some answers on this is to always use an equaliser strap on the 2 loops and never use 1 loop only. i have met people that have only ever used the factory "tie down welded loops" without any issues but always with an equaliser strap

                          below are 2 photos of my brand new chassis brackets and you can see what i think are poor welds to the seams between the different sides. there are gaps visible and some areas not welded





                          this is a photo of my car underneath right now with an ARB deluxe winch bar minus any "recovery loops" and nowhere to fit any unless i use the new ARB brackets and their "NON Recovery Brackets"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ozpat View Post
                            This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

                            does anyone have details on the rear bolt fixing (at RHS in this photo)

                            do you have to drill the other side of chassis or fit a nut inside chassis or something? the earlier model bracket like mine never fixed at this point so i need the correct bolts and whatever else is needed - thanks
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                            • #15
                              Those welds are amateur PradoOz. The slag has been allowed to run all over the place, there is a spot of splatter in the second pic (just lazy), and the powder coat has already chipped off on the edge of the hole for the shackle in the second pic. Another example of top ARB quality hey? I also doubt these points would need strengthening. You would be more likely to sheer one of the bolts than bend/break the recovery plate, and the ratings on a single M12 HT would be near good enough that you could lift (not snatch) an entire prado with it. So, given you have 3 of these bolts on either side (and only 2 on the outback ideas points), strengthening is really not necessary I wouldn't think. Just my opinion though!
                              Diesel Prado with various things...

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