Results 1 to 11 of 11

Thread: Nearmap

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Busselton, WA
    Posts
    419

    Nearmap

    Its not quite Google Earth yet, and the coverage isnt that huge, but the quality is quite good, and most Photo maps are updated regularly

    I have been using it for a while now, and its interesting to see seasonal changes etc

    http://www.nearmap.com/
    Cheers

    Daz

    2004 TD GXL Auto Prado

  2. #2
    Avid PP Poster! IRON-PAWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Perth, WA
    Posts
    1,203

    Re: Nearmap

    The very great pity about nearmaps is the absolute fortune they want to charge private business and local government for access. Nevertheless, fantastic for urban areas and general home use. Nearmaps though, are logging IP addresses to catch out businesses and local authorities going in as home users. Nobody yet knows what Nearmaps will do with the collected IP addresses and how they will seek recompense. All I can say is if you're a business, don't go in as a home user. We have had to block access to it at our work because understandably, It's extremely handy, but we don't want our IP address logged and Nearmaps coming after us. Met the guy behind it at the WALIS forum, and he's pretty intense. The technology he's got is extremely next gen though, and undeniably the way of the future. Definitely the shape of things to come. The industry was already moving into what Nearmaps has done, but they've caught others with their pants down so to speak and it's going to be interesting to see the reaction of other players in the game. Interesting times.

    Very good imagery. Already there's issues surfacing about privacy though. You can now make out people swimming in their pools or sunbaking in their backyards with decent quality aerial imagery. Still not enough detail to see a hack of a lot but that time will come, and bring problems with it. Compared to the best imagery of even just a few years ago the leap in quality now available is astounding.

    Definitely worth checking out while you can. It's pretty amazing what they've done. Just do it from home.

    Also check out Uluru with Microsoft Bing Maps and Mt Everest in Nepal also. Talk about up close and personal. Uluru is very clear.
    # 2007 D4D GX # Full Privacy Tint # Flinders Red # 2 x HID LightForce 240 Blitz # ARB Winch Bar # Alloy Rims # Hilux Washer Jets # Stebel Nautilus Compact Truck Horn # ARB Alloy Roof Rack # ARB Dual Battery System # Charcoal Rough Country Canvas Seat Covers # Suspension:Autocraft Bilstein Shocks/Struts & Ridepro Coils # L.E.D Side Marker Lights # ARB Onboard Air # Pirelli Scorpion LT ATR 265/70's #--Custom 3"exhaust---

  3. #3
    Advanced Member FlyingBushPig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Melbourne, VIC
    Posts
    622

    Re: Nearmap

    I'm currently doing a subject in remote sensing as part of my honours. Nearmap is extremely useful in conjunction with everything else out there. The reason it's so expensive is because it was set up so google (or someone else of similar financial power) would buy them out. Google can't yet provide the resolution nearmap does (nearmap is aerial photography, google is satellite - spot I believe) so it's just a matter of time. In the mean time they need to charge a lot to keep up the work - it's gotta cost them a lot more than what it does for google. It seems nearmap is often more up to date then google too.

    As for legal issues, they're essentially up against the same problem as street view - it's possible to identify your next door neighbour sunbaking with your topless wife... :roll: I think they'll get past it though because they're only showing the resolution the Aus government (and more specifically defense forces) have specified.
    Cheers - Phil Taylor

    Prado KZJ120 2006 GX 3.0ltr Manual TJM T13 Bar, Airtec Snorkel, Sand/snow mats, cargo barrier, Cruise, Budget Campertrailer, 8x17" steelies w/ 265/70/R17 Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 ribs, Binatone GPS, Other Stuff...

  4. #4
    Avid PP Poster! IRON-PAWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Perth, WA
    Posts
    1,203

    Re: Nearmap

    Fully agree that Google or similar will buy them out. Just a matter of when.

    Nearmaps do fly up to each fortnight or so in some cases it's true, and that's the real bar they've got over others. The likes of Fugro etc can do equal (if not better) imagery, but somehow the Nearmaps guys have made the process cheaper, meaning they can fly regularly for less than already established costs, and still end up with extremely good imagery. Or something like that. I can tell you right now that we would use their imagery if the cost wasn't so exorbitant, as it is we need to go to their direct competitors for our own imagery. Also you cannot keep the imagery for your own historical records. If Nearmaps goes bust then so does all your historic imagery. Well, the last time we spoke with them that was the case. Still, I take my hat off to them for what they've done. Very smart.

    They must have a few clients to keep their plane in the air, despite what they're charging.
    # 2007 D4D GX # Full Privacy Tint # Flinders Red # 2 x HID LightForce 240 Blitz # ARB Winch Bar # Alloy Rims # Hilux Washer Jets # Stebel Nautilus Compact Truck Horn # ARB Alloy Roof Rack # ARB Dual Battery System # Charcoal Rough Country Canvas Seat Covers # Suspension:Autocraft Bilstein Shocks/Struts & Ridepro Coils # L.E.D Side Marker Lights # ARB Onboard Air # Pirelli Scorpion LT ATR 265/70's #--Custom 3"exhaust---

  5. #5

    Re: Nearmap

    Quote Originally Posted by IRON-PAWW
    The very great pity about nearmaps is the absolute fortune they want to charge private business and local government for access. Nevertheless, fantastic for urban areas and general home use. Nearmaps though, are logging IP addresses to catch out businesses and local authorities going in as home users. Nobody yet knows what Nearmaps will do with the collected IP addresses and how they will seek recompense. All I can say is if you're a business, don't go in as a home user. We have had to block access to it at our work because understandably, It's extremely handy, but we don't want our IP address logged and Nearmaps coming after us.
    I joined to find out if anyone else is having problems with noisy thrust bearings on their Prado, and saw this comment.

    Not sure why IRON-PAWW is so down on Nearmap. They have been a god send to us. For a start, they are free to businesses and for private use. We asked them about that, and they pretty much said as long as we were not Google or MS, we are free to do what we like using what they call their Free Commercial licence. We do engineering work across Australia, and there is nothing out there that comes close to Nearmap. Just for laughs, one of our engineers worked out what it would cost us to get Fugro or SKM to fly cities each month like Nearmap does, and it worked out to something stupid like $25 million a year which we could never afford. So we get to use Nearmap's stuff for free - hardly an "absolute fortune". As far as I am aware, Nearmap makes it free for businesses and private use, and only charges government for access. Contrary to what IRON-PAWW says, it is all spelt out pretty clearly on Nearmap's web site, and they were very helpful when we asked if we fit under their free use licence. I read a keynote their CEO gave, and from what I can see they are making money from the government while they build up their media business to compete with Google's online maps. So maybe that is why he is complaining about - that they charge government. I'd guess Nearmap are tracking any illegal government use, but as they give it away free to everyone else, so what is the problem? We could never afford orthophotos of Nearmap's quality, and as far as I'm concerned they are amazing and should be given congratulated, not have bricks thrown at them. I hope they do well.


    John

  6. #6
    Avid PP Poster! IRON-PAWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Perth, WA
    Posts
    1,203

    Re: Nearmap

    No bricks thrown. Not complaining (much). Not trying to ditch them. Just making comments from where I stand and our dealings with them thus far.

    Fair enough though. I see they have updated their licensing policy, and their website for that matter. It used to be home user or bust. I admit I am very surprised that any commercial business can access the Nearmap imagery for free, as it was strongly indicated to us some months ago that this wouldn't be the case. But, being it now seems it is the case then you are most certainly on a winner. I would be praising them too if we could get it for free. They want 20K per year out of us to access the imagery. Now, if we had all that imagery flown ourselves, granted it would cost far more than 20K. But still, we cannot afford 20K. And I suggest very few local councils will be able to afford this. Some of the bigger ones will, but not us. So, maybe now my "absolute fortune" comment makes sense.

    Only just a few weeks ago we had a Nearmaps rep in our office confirming the IP address logging. Exactly how they will act on the data they collect I have no idea, and they certainly weren't telling us. Not sure if they mention the IP logging on their website but fair warning would be required in my opinion. Because of this we have had to block access to Nearmaps from our network. So, forgive me if I appear somewhat miffed about it. I am. There's no doubt we could put Nearmaps imagery to extremely good use.

    Exactly why they are charging Government users and not commercial business (light users) is perplexing. I cannot see how they would stand to make a lot by charging Government only. Clearly, something else is at play in my opinion.

    But enough said. I agree Nearmaps has done something outstanding by being able to bring high quality imagery to the table cheaply for many users. If business out there is now getting this imagery for free then I have only one thing to say.

    You friggin lucky buggers! :lol: :lol: :lol:
    # 2007 D4D GX # Full Privacy Tint # Flinders Red # 2 x HID LightForce 240 Blitz # ARB Winch Bar # Alloy Rims # Hilux Washer Jets # Stebel Nautilus Compact Truck Horn # ARB Alloy Roof Rack # ARB Dual Battery System # Charcoal Rough Country Canvas Seat Covers # Suspension:Autocraft Bilstein Shocks/Struts & Ridepro Coils # L.E.D Side Marker Lights # ARB Onboard Air # Pirelli Scorpion LT ATR 265/70's #--Custom 3"exhaust---

  7. #7
    Avid PP Poster! photoprado's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Adelaide, SA.
    Posts
    1,083

    Re: Nearmap

    Quote Originally Posted by IRON-PAWW
    And I suggest very few local councils will be able to afford this.
    You clearly aren't working for the type of council we have. Those hungry and officious parasites would easily recover the $20k in a year from ratepayers by trawling the imagery for illegal developments etc.

    Michael
    2008 D4D M6 GXL [MT ATZ-P3][Bilstein/RidePro][Rear Polyairs][ARB Sahara][IPF 900s][Snorkel][WindCheetah][MaxTrax][IC-440][Parrot Asteroid][ARB Fridge][Lifestyle Rack & 2nd Row Fridge Mount][ARB Compressor][Thumper][SandGrabbers][Cargo Barrier][MCC Dual Wheel Carrier][Tigerz Awning]

  8. #8

    Re: Nearmap

    Hi IRON-PAWW

    Quote Originally Posted by IRON-PAWW
    I admit I am very surprised that any commercial business can access the Nearmap imagery for free
    It has always been free for business use. We heard about Nearmap through the grapevine and kept an eye on it when they went live last year. Although their web site is a right mess and hard to find stuff, so maybe that is why it was not obvious. They do have a monthly tile download limit for free business use, but it is pretty generous - we would blow our broadband limits before we hit Nearmap's tile limit.

    Quote Originally Posted by IRON-PAWW
    They want 20K per year out of us to access the imagery. Now, if we had all that imagery flown ourselves, granted it would cost far more than 20K. Only just a few weeks ago we had a Nearmaps rep in our office confirming the IP address logging.
    I'm just puzzled why your first post seemed hostile about Nearmap, and was not really quite right in the facts department. If you can't afford to use them, then fair enough. We agree that they charge heaps less than it would cost to fly the imagery yourself, and Nearmap has told you they are logging government use to make sure you either pay for it or don't use it. All seems pretty up front and fair to me.

    We get to use it for free, so maybe my attitude would be different if we had to pay. But from what I can see, this is a pretty amazing Australian company having a crack at something new while winding up Google and giving us something no one else in Australia has even thought of doing. Good on them.

    Cheers
    John

  9. #9
    Avid PP Poster! IRON-PAWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Perth, WA
    Posts
    1,203

    Re: Nearmap

    Gentlemen.

    I take your comments on board and do not wish to antagonize any further with "misinformation". What I know and what you know seem to mismatch. That is as it is.

    I consider my part in this discussion closed.

    Please feel free to discuss Nearmaps further in my absence.

    EDIT: Incorrect info in first post. Fair call. That was the situation as described to me some months ago. As I cannot visit Nearmaps from work I do not go to the website, thus did not read about how things stand now. Considering who I spoke to I thought not to question the information, and find myself somewhat taken aback. I have visited Nearmaps a small number of times from home, that's it. As I highly respect everyone in the spatial information field please respect my wishes to say no more. I do however, admit I stand corrected on the licensing issue. The day I am perfect will be a strange day indeed.
    # 2007 D4D GX # Full Privacy Tint # Flinders Red # 2 x HID LightForce 240 Blitz # ARB Winch Bar # Alloy Rims # Hilux Washer Jets # Stebel Nautilus Compact Truck Horn # ARB Alloy Roof Rack # ARB Dual Battery System # Charcoal Rough Country Canvas Seat Covers # Suspension:Autocraft Bilstein Shocks/Struts & Ridepro Coils # L.E.D Side Marker Lights # ARB Onboard Air # Pirelli Scorpion LT ATR 265/70's #--Custom 3"exhaust---

  10. #10
    Advanced Member FlyingBushPig's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Melbourne, VIC
    Posts
    622

    Re: Nearmap

    It's ok, I didn't find you were that harsh, in fact I wouldn't get too upset about it all unless you're the CEO :wink:
    And if you are...good on ya!

    Great product and at the end of the day, it's aerial photography. Photographers can charge what ever they can get (I should know...and should charge more :? ).
    If it's coming from the mindset of a photographer, generally this might be part of the deal about any costs involved; regardless of who or what they charge.
    Cheers - Phil Taylor

    Prado KZJ120 2006 GX 3.0ltr Manual TJM T13 Bar, Airtec Snorkel, Sand/snow mats, cargo barrier, Cruise, Budget Campertrailer, 8x17" steelies w/ 265/70/R17 Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 ribs, Binatone GPS, Other Stuff...

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Busselton, WA
    Posts
    419

    Re: Nearmap

    Gee, I hadnt checked back at this this thread since post it, and its generated some topical discussion...

    We are using it at work for mainly checking the layout at sites that are a reasonable distance from our main base, and have been able to find equipment on our minesites that we thought were elsewhere. Saves having to drive a couple of hundred kms to check something out.
    Cheers

    Daz

    2004 TD GXL Auto Prado

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •