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  • Factory Inverter

    Today while fitting the ERPS I had a good look at the little inverter.

    There is no space to fit a larger unit and the wiring is totally inadequate to use for any other device, best to just keep this 100W inverter as is.



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  • #2
    Re: Factory Inverter

    good place to charge your phone


    What does the back of the 240 volt outlet look like? Is there a chance of installing a larger inverter under the bonnet which is powered from 2nd battery all the time and run bigger wires to the outlet in the back? Whilst typing that sentence i realised that wouldn't be such a great idea as you would have 240v power running from one end of the car to the other, bit dangerous :shock: Better of doing what you said with 240v and just fit a heavy duty 12v outlet in back run off 2nd battery

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    • #3
      Re: Factory Inverter

      Originally posted by bilo33prado
      good place to charge your phone


      What does the back of the 240 volt outlet look like? Is there a chance of installing a larger inverter under the bonnet which is powered from 2nd battery all the time and run bigger wires to the outlet in the back? Whilst typing that sentence i realised that wouldn't be such a great idea as you would have 240v power running from one end of the car to the other, bit dangerous :shock: Better of doing what you said with 240v and just fit a heavy duty 12v outlet in back run off 2nd battery
      The thin wires and plug in my hand are the 240V ones. You would need to re-do the whole lot.
      Prado 150 GXL - V6 Auto, ABR-SIDEWINDER Dual battery System, Tekonsha P3, 50mm Lift kit - King Springs & Bilstein Shocks, Polyair Bags, BFG 275/65R17 Tyres, Milford Cargo Barrier, ERPS Extreme use 10 coupler rust protection, Rhino Rack, Factory Towbar, ABR-SIDEWINDER fridge/freezer, ABR-SIDEWINDER compressor and PSV deflators, Twin Drawer system, Fridge Slide, Twin 23L water tanks, 80W Solar Panel, Hot Water Shower, ARB Awning, Toyota Seat Covers, ARB Winch Bar, Warn XD9000, HID's, Snorkel .
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      • #4
        Re: Factory Inverter

        You have to remember this is only a 100w inverter. Don't try to run anything serious off of it because it's the INVERTER is NOT designed for it. The wiring is probably appropriate for the rating of the inverter.
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        • #5
          Re: Factory Inverter

          Originally posted by ABR-SIDEWINDER
          Originally posted by bilo33prado
          good place to charge your phone


          What does the back of the 240 volt outlet look like? Is there a chance of installing a larger inverter under the bonnet which is powered from 2nd battery all the time and run bigger wires to the outlet in the back? Whilst typing that sentence i realised that wouldn't be such a great idea as you would have 240v power running from one end of the car to the other, bit dangerous :shock: Better of doing what you said with 240v and just fit a heavy duty 12v outlet in back run off 2nd battery
          The thin wires and plug in my hand are the 240V ones. You would need to re-do the whole lot.

          Correct, bigger wires would need to be run as stated in my last post? question was about running bigger wires and if you could connect the bigger wires to the factory 240v outlet? thanks for your detailed run down of the new prado, very helpful in all areas on the forum

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          • #6
            Re: Factory Inverter

            Sorry Guys but im not as electrical savvy as you lot.

            When you say 100w what can you run off it? What can this plug be used for?

            a laptop? light? fridge?

            TV and playstation while out bush? :lol:

            what is something 'serious' and something not so 'serious'?

            cheers

            J

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            • #7
              Re: Factory Inverter

              As a generalisation, I would say that a Nokia phone charger would be "not serious", and a television would be "serious".
              2008 Diesel Prado with extra stuff added. I drive it on the road and other places too.

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              • #8
                Re: Factory Inverter

                Well a kettle as an example would be around 2500watts, a hair dryer is around 2000, a toaster about 1000 but a dvd player might be around 20watts.
                The back of the Wii says about 25watts I think and the DVD HDD Recorder was 45watts.

                A plasma will start at around 400watts and go up depending upon the screen size. I believe a PS3 is close to 400watts while the XBOX360 is a tad over 150.

                I'm guessing a laptop would suck close to the 100watts as well.

                You could run a 100 Watt incandecent light from this without dramas based on it's rating, BUT I wouldn't as I would run a 12v LED or Fluro instead. Anything that has a fan or heat or you can't fix yourself would be in the serious category
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                • #9
                  Re: Factory Inverter

                  So is an engel 40lr fridge concidered serious or not? :evil: Not real big on taking playstations and plasma away camping......any why would you want too :roll:

                  I have alway just used the standard cig plug in the back of my past 2 Pardo's and never have any issues. I would just the fridge down low atr night as the air temp got cooler then crank it back during the day when out touring. Only ever flattened the battery once..when I went to bed after too many amber cordials and forgot to turn the fridge down ops:

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                  • #10
                    Re: Factory Inverter

                    Originally posted by D4Dazz
                    So is an engel 40lr fridge concidered serious or not? :evil: Not real big on taking playstations and plasma away camping......any why would you want too :roll:

                    I have alway just used the standard cig plug in the back of my past 2 Pardo's and never have any issues. I would just the fridge down low atr night as the air temp got cooler then crank it back during the day when out touring. Only ever flattened the battery once..when I went to bed after too many amber cordials and forgot to turn the fridge down ops:
                    I only posted the plasma and electronic games as examples. I think there may have been a query about a TV.

                    Seriously if you are going to run a fridge install a deep cycle battery as an auxillary and run a dedicated socket to suit your fridge. Then you know your crank wont run flatr when youn go bush for a weekend. As to the power rating have a look on the side of the fridge. You don't want to go over 100W.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Factory Inverter

                      Regarding fridge, I wrote this for another discussion but it is relevant here also:

                      "They fact you can doesn't mean it's a good idea, the inverter has the advantage that it will enable the fridge to startup
                      happily will the light duty cable running to it where if you were to try and run the fridge on 12V using the same cabling it most likely wouldn't start.

                      Now the down side, we'll assume the fridge uses about 3A (36Watts at 12V) when running. The power supply for the fridge when running
                      on 240V would only be about 75% efficient therefore it would be taking about 3.75A form the inverter. The inverter is again proberly about
                      75% efficient so the inverter would be pulling around 4.7A from the battery when it's running. Not very efficent!
                      To make matters worse when the fridge runs on 12V and the motor turns off it draws practically nothing from the 12Volts.
                      When the fridge turns off when running on 240V you still have the Inverter and the fridge power supply idling and wasting
                      power which is why we put dual battery systems in!"

                      Cheers
                      LeighW
                      HKB Electronics, manufacturer of the Alternator Voltage Booster, Silver 2008 D4D,Lifted,Underbody protection, Alternator Voltage Booster, Tiger Z winch, Lightforce DL, Air Horns, Tanami Drawers, Drop down fridge slide, Outback cargo barriers, Rotronics dual Battery system, Polaris GPS, HF/UHF/VHF, Radio speaker combiner, Long ranger water tank, Diff breathers, Inverter, Snorkel and others

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                      • #12
                        Re: Factory Inverter

                        YEP!

                        Confused :roll: :roll:

                        The 150 has a 220V plug that runs through an inverter. The 120 has a cigy plug that has printed on it's cover 12V 120W.

                        Whats the difference? You guys seem to know what you are talking about..

                        I'm confused because I know that a dual battery system is the way to go ....no doubt, no argument. However I have been running my Engel 40lt from the cigy socket for the past 6 years (over 2 vehicles) and had no isses with flat batteries. 2 weeks on Fraser, 2 weeks in the high Country, 2 week around Mildura and the Flinders no issues.

                        My question real is, what the diffence between the system in the 150 and 120? Is one better than the other?

                        Many Thanks!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Factory Inverter

                          D4Dazz,

                          If your comparing a 120 D4D with a 150D4D there is no difference.

                          If you are able to run your fridge for two weeks off the batteries you are doing nothing wrong. You are a legend!

                          120Watts is 120Watts! At 12 volts this would equate to a circuit current of 10A. At 220V the current
                          in the circuit would be .545A

                          It is better to run the fridge from 12V as the inverter and the 240V power supply in the fridge
                          are not 100% efficient. Therefore battery power is wasted stepping the voltage up then down
                          again.

                          The problem with the factory outlets is they use thin gauge wire. This results in a voltage drop and
                          loss of efficency. The current Instead of running your fridge is wasted as heat in the wiring loom.

                          The bottom line though is, if your current system works well for you don't change it!

                          Cheers

                          LeighW
                          HKB Electronics, manufacturer of the Alternator Voltage Booster, Silver 2008 D4D,Lifted,Underbody protection, Alternator Voltage Booster, Tiger Z winch, Lightforce DL, Air Horns, Tanami Drawers, Drop down fridge slide, Outback cargo barriers, Rotronics dual Battery system, Polaris GPS, HF/UHF/VHF, Radio speaker combiner, Long ranger water tank, Diff breathers, Inverter, Snorkel and others

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                          • #14
                            Re: Factory Inverter

                            Thanks Leigh.

                            The long term objective is to fit a dual battery system. In the meantime I wanted to use what is alreay fitted in the 150. And my 120 is the D4D and yes the 150 will be a deisel too.

                            Thanks for the info.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Factory Inverter

                              I just came across this thread as I am in the process of getting a new Prado myself.

                              I'm not so sure that using the 220v outlet on the Prado will be inefficient for an Engel Fridge. As I understand it, my Engel fridge ( and others may as well) has an inverter in it for conversion of the 12v current to 240v. A 220/240v supply is passed through unchanged. If you take the power from the outlet ( provided it is sufficient) there should be no further inefficiencies from voltage conversion than there would be by feeding 12v to the fridge.

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