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  • Another 2007 Prado Diesel Engine Failure - where to start?

    Firstly, thank you sincerely for your help on here. Our dash cracked a few days ago and were it not for your collective help I would not have known I could get it fixed free from Toyota as long as I acted fairly swiftly. Our Prado is 10 years old in Sept. I contacted the dealer today and I'm eligible for a free replacement.

    I know nothing about engines and this forum has been a good start. Obviously, I should have asked a lot of questions at servicing before now but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Our engine failed while on holiday in Victoria. RACQ is in process of towing it home and we have to decide our course of action from here. I do not yet know detail of what went wrong but the mechanic who towed us said the big end had failed.

    We have had a catch can fitted for a while now and the turbo recently replaced. Oil was put in the car 48 hours before it died. The oil light came on just before failure but the oil levels were fine. The car wouldn't restart for a while after oil level check. When it was able to be started, a knocking noise was heard and the rest is history.

    We are the second owners of the car. I think Toyota will have done the 40,000 and 80,000 service. I will need to check the log book when the car arrives. Since we've owned it we have used our own mechanic. Local Toyota dealer quoted $12 665 to repair with a new long engine.

    When I was in there earlier today he said there was a 'recall out on the injector seals, not that it would matter now'. Does anyone know anything more about this?

    What would your advice be from here? 2nd hand motor, reconditioned motor or start again with a secondhand car. We need a car that can tow and we have 4 kids. Financially we are stuffed and will need to apply to the bank to extend our home loan regardless. Disappointed to have this failure in a car we thought was super reliable.

  • #2
    Sounds like blocked oil pickup caused by the injector nozzle seats. See here http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...l=1#post525037

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    • #3
      Thank you. That is extremely helpful. I read that post but missed the attachment pics of the customer service exercise. I obviously wish I had done some research six months ago. That sounds linked to what the Toyota dealership told me today with regard to the recall? recall = customer service exercise?

      We were not notified of this customer service exercise. Is Toyota not able to access our info from registration records? Should I have done something else? I intend on using this information to press Toyota to come to the party on this. Anyone had any success here?

      Also from reading further on pradopoint it seems the general consensus is that reconditioned is never as good as new?
      Last edited by qldcrew; 09-01-2017, 05:11 PM.

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      • #4
        I had my motor refurbished after a failed piston when in the middle of Kakadu. Had the car on a roadtrain back to Brisvegas and had a local company - All Option Engines - bore oversize - new pistons and cylinder head. That was 2014 and now 68000 km later no issues other than some noisy injectors that have been replaced.

        http://www.alloptionsengines.com.au/

        And no i don't work or promote this company, only to say he offered a very good, quick and reliable service at reasonable prices. They picked up my motor on Thursday afternoon and i had it back Tuesday the following week. Not sure if they offer tow in - drive out but most likely do.

        Even if the motor doesn't last as long as original it will still go a couple of hundred thousand km's. Possibly more than it did before that piston failed.

        Rusty.
        08 VX D4D, Lift, Safari Snorkle, Trailblazer Fridge, Custom Storeage System, BFG, ARB Safari Bar, Wife, Kids, Codan NGT HF Radio, Debt.
        06 100 Series Sahara, Bilteins, Kings, Beaudesert 3", Diff drop, Unichip Q4, Safari Intercooler, EGR delete, 20ft Bushtracker, Codan Envoy more coming.
        Sometimes i wake up Grumpy, most times i leave her sleep.

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        • #5
          Thanks Rusty. That is helpful. Just working out my choices. If I can get Toyota to come to the party that is option 1 but it is helpful to know what my other options are too.

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          • #6
            If you google search "oil pick up" you will find a few threads on problems others have had, this is one

            http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...r-engine/page6

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            • #7
              [QUOTE=qldcrew;563043]

              We were not notified of this customer service exercise. Is Toyota not able to access our info from registration records? Should I have done something else? I intend on using this information to press Toyota to come to the party on this. Anyone had any success here?


              Once the vehicle is sold on from the original owner Toyota can't access registration records. There is a change of owner section in the log book and if you fill that in then they update their records and you get notified of any service bulletins etc

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              • #8
                Bugger. Thanks for that info though.

                Interestingly, Nissan notified us of a recall a year back on our x trail and we had never contacted them as we are second owners there too.

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                • #9
                  Sounds like an oil starvation issue, which, no doubt will come back to the oil pick up screen being blocked with GUNK. This is caused by faulty injector seats, allowing blow-by into the crankcase, and the subsequent soot particles building up on the oil pick up screen over time.
                  I would hazard a guess that if you removed the small sump pan that reveals the oil pick up, that the screen will be almost completely blocked with soot. There are more than several threads relating to these issues throughout PP.
                  In regard to Toyota coming to the party. You might be in for a tough battle here, as this could have potentially been prevented had the vehicle been in for the 'recall' and any injectors out of spec would have been diagnosed and subsequently replaced at the same time the new seats were.
                  If Toyota had been doing the servicing you could argue that these things should have been checked, as well as a visual inspection of the oil pick up screen when they were changing the old oil. There are a couple of threads in here that relate to legal action in regards to liability when it comes to this 'engine failure' issue. I think it might come down to who has been performing the servicing when it comes to your luck with getting Toyota to come to some agreement with you.

                  Best of luck with this.
                  Stan Miko

                  - 2007 120 Series 3.0L D4D

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