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  • #1

    Towing Capacity GVM

    Hey interesting one on the tow capacity on the GXL 150. 2500kg ???????? really ????????? well kind of but not really.

    The toyota spec on the GXL 150 ( from toyota and Note GXL)
    WEIGHTS & CAPACITIES
    Weights Standard
    - Kerb weight (kg) 2315
    - Gross vehicle mass (kg) 2990
    - Gross combination mass (kg) 5370
    - Tare weight (kg) 2235
    - Gross trailer weight braked (kg) 2500
    - Gross trailer weight unbraked (kg) 75

    So kerb weight is the weight from the factory and is out the window when you put bomb it up with fuel, accessories or put the family in. So my wife went to the weigh bridge and sort the actual weight. Wife (compact version), 2 kids, steel bull bar, ARB draws( with seats removed from rear cargo), fridge slide, 40 ltr engel, rhino pioneer flat rack, ARB shade canopy, max air 3 air compressor, full tanks of fuel and a Slim Dusty, Ringer from the top end CD, went in at 2750kg. So when I get in at 80 kg (all just muscle and six pack) we have the grand total of 160kg left to be legal in weight.
    The GVM of the prado GXL 150 is 2990KG. so the max that can weigh all up, on the road is 2990kg.

    Now the Gross Combination! This is the max that that prado and the tow weight can weigh when in the combo together.
    So with my Prado at GVM we are left with a tow weight of 2380kg MAX!

    Now in the case of a caravan. The Difference in the tare weight to the GVM/ max it can weigh on the road can be tricky. Its difference is the payload. If you got a solar panel and battery, if you put the gas bottles on it, if you got the bigger fridge, if you fill it up with water ( 1kg/Ltr) if you got any accessories at all put on her, then it weighs something. So I guess its like the bathroom scales. There is the weight you think you weigh and you want to weigh and then there is the truth.

    oh and then there is the axle weights and also the tow ball down force weight to throw in there.

    SO all these big vans and trailers roaring around waiting for an insurance company to look at it after an accident... good luck with that.

    https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car...kg-tow-rating/

    love to hear if you have a different version of what I can figure out.
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  • #2
    Kerb weight does include a full tank of fuel but you have added heaps of gear so it all comes back to GVM now.

    Maybe find a light van/trailer and put some of your gear into that ?

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    • #3
      You can lose a bit of weight with the water tanks no more than half full for travelling. If you are heading to a campsite with no/or minimal facilities, fill up with water at a town before you head to the campsite.

      That is how I had to bring down my weight in the van (plus removing all the glass bottles and jars of food the missus put into the van), however, travelling across the Nullabor earlier this year, no way was I heading across with less than full water tanks.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by yowie View Post
        travelling across the Nullabor earlier this year, no way was I heading across with less than full water tanks.
        Something wrong with our water?
        Dave
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        • #5
          On the recent GTG we were told by one traveller that the Transport Authorities in some states are actually pretty active in stopping caravanners and making them un-hitch if they determine the tow vehicle is not legally rated to tow the van. That means you have to go away and come back with either a bigger towing capacity car or a flat top to remove your van. I spoke to a couple of caravan retailers in SA and VIC who both told me that they wouldn't allow an under-rated car to tow a van off their block.
          Dave
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          Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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          • #6
            As I understand it kaindog, you also need to add the ball weight of your caravan/trailer into GVM of the Prado so that will take care of the 160kg that you have left. You may even have to ditch the CD!
            Cheers...Wayne
            White 2012 GXL 150 TD Auto. Work in progress. Aiming to spend less than when I kitted out the 120!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by hulbyw View Post
              As I understand it kaindog, you also need to add the ball weight of your caravan/trailer into GVM of the Prado so that will take care of the 160kg that you have left. You may even have to ditch the CD!
              Cheers...Wayne
              Correct, because it is part of the load on the vehicle axles.

              I know that there are potential legal implications but I don't get too stressed about it. The design limits are based on worst case / extreme case scenarios.
              [B]Steve[/B]

              2010 Silver GXL Prado 150, D4D Auto, with a few non standard bits

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              • #8
                We did out weights on the way back from the GTG
                We have a VX 150 D4D with TJM T3bar, dual batteries, rhino roof rack, 2.5 m awning, 95l ice mate fridge on a slider, recovery gear and not much else. All the rear seat hardware taken out and a false floor added which is a ship load lighter then the seats, same GVM as GXL and we were 2900 with me an SWMBO. Not much leftover.
                Then the caravan is GTM of 2500 but was actually 2560. Tow ball weight was 140 kg so the way i read it we were;
                GCM 5465 vs actual of 5460 is good but
                GVM 2990 vs Actual weight of car plus tow ball 2900 + 140 = 3040 so 50kg over = bad
                Then the van was 2560 which is 60 kg over = bad
                So to keep all my weights under max i need to drop the caravan by 60 kg and car by 50 which effectively gives me a GCM of 5355 instead of 5465.
                What am i missing?


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                Setup to tow Crusader Muskateer caravan

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                • #9
                  Does anyone know in Perth southern suburbs where you can use a weighbridge? How much does it cost?

                  Thanks
                  2018 150 Series Crystal Pearl Prado VX 2.8l. 2 inch King springs and Bilstein shocks, Airtek TJM snorkel.

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                  • #10
                    Rockingham tip?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brougham View Post
                      Rockingham tip?


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                      Anything closer to Perth say Bullcreek area? Do you have to pay at the Rockingham tip?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ian Reid View Post
                        We did out weights on the way back from the GTG
                        We have a VX 150 D4D with TJM T3bar, dual batteries, rhino roof rack, 2.5 m awning, 95l ice mate fridge on a slider, recovery gear and not much else. All the rear seat hardware taken out and a false floor added which is a ship load lighter then the seats, same GVM as GXL and we were 2900 with me an SWMBO. Not much leftover.
                        Then the caravan is GTM of 2500 but was actually 2560. Tow ball weight was 140 kg so the way i read it we were;
                        GCM 5465 vs actual of 5460 is good but
                        GVM 2990 vs Actual weight of car plus tow ball 2900 + 140 = 3040 so 50kg over = bad
                        Then the van was 2560 which is 60 kg over = bad
                        So to keep all my weights under max i need to drop the caravan by 60 kg and car by 50 which effectively gives me a GCM of 5355 instead of 5465.
                        What am i missing?


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                        Hey Ian,
                        so VX straight of toyota web site ( you need to check the date and make sure the weights are correct for the year and model).
                        Weights Standard
                        - Kerb weight (kg) 2400
                        - Gross vehicle mass (kg) 2990
                        - Gross combination mass (kg) 5465
                        - Tare weight (kg) 2330
                        - Gross trailer weight braked (kg) 2500
                        - Gross trailer weight unbraked (kg) 750

                        So the GVM of the VX prado is 2990Kg. Subtract that from the GCM 2990 - 5465 = 2475kg. Yeah so my understanding is that you need to remain under GVM on the car and that will allow you 2475 max on the tow.

                        yeah you need to be over this stuff but until its explained in layman its a bit confusing. But the key is the GVM of both and the GCM which can reduce the tow load or make you loose some in the car to maintain tow capacity.
                        Interesting to see the boys saying that the van dealers won't let the vans go with an unsuitable tow vehicle. The prado is suitable for the 2500 kg tow when in light load. bomb it up to GVM and you can see the results.
                        Note that I'm told on the rumour mill that if the car goes brand new to ARB and gets the suspension done or a type of suspension done before first rego then the GVM upgrade can be done on the plate. No idea of the facts on that but have been told a few times by different people.

                        Kaindog

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                        • #13
                          There's a public weighbridge down in Mandurah. I was talking to a salesman at Toyotaways who told me they have to take the utes down there once the trays are fitted so they can get a weight ticket in order to have them registered. From their website:

                          http://www.mandurah.wa.gov.au/WasteDisposal.htm

                          The Waste Management Centre (WMC) is located at 80 Corsican Place, Parklands. Corsican Place is immediately opposite the Mandurah Greyhound Track. The facility also operates as a public weighbridge and is licensed by the Department of Commerce. Please note that end to end public weighing is not available due to the size of the weighbridge.
                          Dave
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cuda View Post
                            Anything closer to Perth say Bullcreek area? Do you have to pay at the Rockingham tip?
                            That's only 15min drive from Bullcreek...

                            Otherwise ring the Canning Vale tip and see if they have one?


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                            • #15
                              Rockingham is not advertised as providing public weighing services.
                              Dave
                              Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
                              Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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