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  • Will we get hybrid Prado`s in the future?

    Just thinking out loud, with Toyota now pushing more of the hybrid systems will we see this in the Prado one day? I think its in the realm of possibilities to say its going in the petrol, but what about the diesel.

    I am not sure how these system will go in a river crossing or when pounded on corrugations, but Toyota may well go down this path instead of developing a V6 diesel. Unless they need to build a V6 to make future emission targets.

    The benefits in the new Camry aren`t too bad, 25% fuel saving, better insulation to reduce electric motor noise, but also heavier.
    Power figures aren`t easy to relate to, but its appears that the petrol engine in the hybrids is less powerful and more efficient, but with the boost from the electric motor it outdoes the higher tuned 2.5ltr petrol engine.

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/163215/2...brid-released/
    Individually the 2.5-litre petrol engine produces 118kW and 213Nm of torque, in addition to the 105kW and 270Nm of torque provided by the electric motor.

    As far as a hybrid for the petrol V6 goes, its already in other Toyota petrol cars. The Kluger/Highlander in the US for example
    with the 2GR-FXE V6, it offers a 45kw boost.

    If they get a 25% boost in economy, they can reduce the size of the second fuel tank and weight wise there may not be too much difference between the hybrid and none hybrid.

    There could be some interesting positives out of electric motors when its comes to four wheel driving, slow instant torque, etc. Might make diff locks front and rear diffs irrelevant. Also going downhill the braking and control could be much superior, I expect that there will be some energy recovery system as well.
    stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
    but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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    I wonder where the batteries are in the hybrid Kluger and if there was a loss of cargo space?
    IMO, hybrids is for city only driving due to the use of regenerative braking to recharge the batteries. It wouldn't suit outback travels that much with your feet constantly on the 'go' pedal. The batteries will deplete over long journeys and if they reduced the capacity of the petrol tank, it will mean less range.

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    • #3
      yes there is scenarios were the hybrid system may not give the best returns and all day high speed cruising on dirt roads, maybe one of them. But if the engine is kept in its optimum fuel efficiency range with the hybrid kicking in when a bit extra is required, there has to be some benefit. Reality is that even in outback driving there is enough deceleration and acceleration and stopping for various obstacles that a drop in range may not be too bad over all. I was only assuming that they would reduce the fuel tank in size as a weight saving.
      stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
      but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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      • #4
        I'm curious why you rarely see individuals talk about TCO (total cost of operation) with hybrids. When you do the numbers they simply cost more to buy own operate. That's not even starting to discuss the C02 produced by all the linked in businesses that design, manufacture, recharge, maintain and dispose of the batteries which I suspect if analysed fully are possibly worse for the environment (speculation). We all know car manufacturers NEVER do anything unless they can make a buck so clearly they are fully aware of the long term profit in ongoing maintenance and support. Unless your in a profession that does 100,000 klm a year (cabbies etc) it just doesn't add up to me.

        And don't get me started on power bills. Can you even imaging how much our home power bills would rise due to infrastructure changes required if x% or cars became hybrids!

        Did someone say somewhere that humans were clever :-(
        2012 Kakadu

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        • #5
          you have a point, the manufacture of the batteries, electric motors must be taken into account. On the current Camry it is claimed that the batteries and motors last as long as the vehicle.

          How does it cost more to operate, what numbers are you using?

          Why you include infrastructure and household power bills, I don`t understand, it has nothing to do with it. The car isn`t charged by anything but its own engine and whatever energy recovery system it employs.
          Even if we had electric vehicles that needed charging, it would be done overnight mostly and that wouldn`t tax the system.
          stepped up the a 200 LC for towing,
          but had a 2012 and 2010 150 Prado GXL auto diesel in Graphite with Bridgestone D697 A/T. Dobinson C59-300/325 and Bilsteins. Accessories : two baby seats. Sidewinder`s Dual Battery isolator and rear power outlet kit. Pirana Battery tray, Hayman Reese towbar with Toyota wiring kit and Brains`s guard.

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          • #6
            What can I say
            2012 Kakadu

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            • #7
              Bloody hell, let's kill this idea off now before someone takes it seriously and builds such a Prado. It will have more plastic and you won't be able to hang a bullbar or winch off it. Leave it to someone like Mitsubishi with the Pajero or Land Rover with the Discovery. They are already getting more SUV like with the appeal to city slickers whose only dirt road encounter is when they park the car on the verge to wash the car.
              Dave
              Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
              Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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              • #8
                Hybrids are a scam in my opinion, on figures I saw, the hybrid camery does about 1-2 L/100km better than my Aurion, for the sake of 2 liters give me the v6 any day of the week. And thats without talking about battry replacements, I just dont see how it ads up??
                Glenn
                2012 GX TD 150 with long mudflaps - [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?23370-Yota-s-150[/url]
                1996 GXL TD 95 with no mudflaps (sold) - [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?12402-My-Truck-quot-Build-Up-quot[/url]

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                • #9
                  Leave the hybribs for the soccer mums, com'on toyota we want the v8 diesel from the lc200 in our prados!

                  Mr toyota, Think of all the money you will save on the development costs of the v6 diesel....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rwo View Post
                    Leave the hybribs for the soccer mums, com'on toyota we want the v8 diesel from the lc200 in our prados!

                    Mr toyota, Think of all the money you will save on the development costs of the v6 diesel....
                    and it would make the prado the same size as a lc200... have you seen the size of the toyota v8 diesel!? it's a monster.
                    2011 150series GXL

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wooley View Post
                      and it would make the prado the same size as a lc200... have you seen the size of the toyota v8 diesel!? it's a monster.
                      wooley, you make it sound like that having a bigger engine might be a problem? size counts - didn't you know?
                      2014 D4D 150 GXL Automatic - CHARCOAL

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by amts View Post
                        I wonder where the batteries are in the hybrid Kluger and if there was a loss of cargo space?
                        IMO, hybrids is for city only driving due to the use of regenerative braking to recharge the batteries. It wouldn't suit outback travels that much with your feet constantly on the 'go' pedal. The batteries will deplete over long journeys and if they reduced the capacity of the petrol tank, it will mean less range.
                        I reckon your on the money with how it is atm.

                        But I dont get why the batteries (for all hybrids and electric cars) are not in a slide in sort of box thing that is a bit like a swap n go gas system. You pull up at the 'servo', a little hatch opens and a machine pulls your battery box out and in goes a new one. You pay the man like you would fossil fuels. The rent of the thing is included in the price of the swap.

                        This way the battery packs get recharged at the servo during daylight with solar.

                        Must be some reason?
                        2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kowolski View Post
                          What can I say
                          Well I spose you could start by answering maxjj's question I reckon. LOL....
                          2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Yota View Post
                            Hybrids are a scam in my opinion,
                            Not a scam but is driven by govts and the market. Hybrids are really filling the gap before fully electric vehicles become the norm. And they will. The advances in electric motors and batteries rivals that of computing.

                            Based on the efficiencies they are getting out of them I reckon within the next 10 - 20yrs you will see big changes. The Japanese have already achieved an electric motor with 96% efficiency. The best internal combustion engines are nearer the 20%. There are of course obstacles to widespread use but I think that they are using hybrids to slowly get the population used to the idea.

                            About 15yrs ago there was an article in VW Trends of an electric powered karman ghia convertible. It would do 100mph for an hour or I think 50mph for 4 or something similar. The amazing thing was that at 50mph it could spin the rear wheels in third gear.

                            We should check back in ten years or so..
                            2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tassie tiger View Post
                              Not a scam but is driven by govts and the market. Hybrids are really filling the gap before fully electric vehicles become the norm. And they will. The advances in electric motors and batteries rivals that of computing.

                              We should check back in ten years or so..
                              I agree electric motors of some description will be the future, hydrogen fuel cells for example, will give great control in off road driving, but hybrids as they are now just dont add up.
                              Now I'll step back and wait for the critisisim but, this is were I agree with the carbon tax. When a hybrid has very little advantage over a petrol car what incentive is there really to develop an alternative? Business needs an incentive to invest in research and the ONLY incentive buisness knows is money. If buisiness can start saving money buy producing somthing better they will quickly start reaserching new technology / cheaper tax bills.
                              Unfortunatly I think diesel and petrol will win for a long time yet.
                              Yota
                              Advanced Member
                              Last edited by Yota; 13-05-2012, 04:24 PM.
                              Glenn
                              2012 GX TD 150 with long mudflaps - [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?23370-Yota-s-150[/url]
                              1996 GXL TD 95 with no mudflaps (sold) - [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?12402-My-Truck-quot-Build-Up-quot[/url]

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