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  • Strut lift blocks.

    I've seen plenty of these lift block's around that you bolt onto the top of your strut and away you go. Am I right in thinking it throws the telemetry rugby out the window? Too good to be true? Are they a visual and non functioning lift as they obviously don't help extend travel.

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    Have a look here -> http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread...-Strut-spacers
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      ok, but doesn't really confirm anything hence why I asked.....

      this is what iam talking about.... bit bigger then 6mm
      http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Liftcraft...63ed27f&_uhb=1

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      • #4
        Small spacers such as the one linked to above that I make shouldn't cause an issue, although its always a good idea to measure everything first just to make sure you aren't maxing out any of the measurements.

        Larger ones such as you linked to on eBay are likely to cause you issues. There is an extensive thread on these on the Hilux forum. Everything from broken struts, to damaged ball joints control arms binding up.

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        • #5
          hey mate, thanks for that. I will wonder and have a look but you pretty much confirmed my suspicion. if it seems too good to be true.....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RanJ View Post
            ok, but doesn't really confirm anything hence why I asked.....

            this is what iam talking about.... bit bigger then 6mm
            http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Liftcraft...63ed27f&_uhb=1
            Large (2") top spaces like those are used as a cheap lift, instead of a real one. It'll provide you with a lifted height, but will not increase suspension travel (compression and droop) like aftermarket suspension does. Don't use them as an addition to a 2" IFS suspension lift, because you'll end up with 3-4" lift, terrible geometry and failing CV's.
            glen_ep - engineered, 4" lift, 33" 255/85R16, lockers, 4.88 ratios www.pradopoint.com.au/showthread.php?17237 www.youtube.com/user/glenep www.fb.com/groups/ToyotaPrado90

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            • #7
              Thanks for the confirmation mate.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AJ120 View Post
                Small spacers such as the one linked to above that I make shouldn't cause an issue, although its always a good idea to measure everything first just to make sure you aren't maxing out any of the measurements.

                Larger ones such as you linked to on eBay are likely to cause you issues. There is an extensive thread on these on the Hilux forum. Everything from broken struts, to damaged ball joints control arms binding up.

                Cheers Andrew
                Hey Andrew,
                The failures you've mentioned for large top spacers, puzzles me. I wouldn't expect any failures if they were used for their intended purpose (as a cheap 2" lift). Can you clarify whether these failures occurred on cars which had them installed as an addition to suspension lifts? Or perhaps where you read this?
                glen_ep - engineered, 4" lift, 33" 255/85R16, lockers, 4.88 ratios www.pradopoint.com.au/showthread.php?17237 www.youtube.com/user/glenep www.fb.com/groups/ToyotaPrado90

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                • #9
                  Putting large strut top spacers without spacing down the bump stops will break things.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by glen_ep View Post
                    Hey Andrew,
                    The failures you've mentioned for large top spacers, puzzles me. I wouldn't expect any failures if they were used for their intended purpose (as a cheap 2" lift). Can you clarify whether these failures occurred on cars which had them installed as an addition to suspension lifts? Or perhaps where you read this?
                    Just going from the hilux forum thread they create issues even with standard suspension, at least on the Hilux. I would imagine you would expect similar issues in the Prado given how similar the suspension is. As AMTS has said, bump stops are one issue to stop shocks topping out, it's been a while since I read through it and its fifteen pages long but I think all the guys over there are on the same page about them being a bad idea.

                    You need to be a member to view threads there, but it's a sticky in the post 2005 suspension section if you are a member.

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                    • #11
                      Well, if it matters, based upon what I've gathered from you guys in this thread, I've come to the conclusion that it wouldn't be suitable for me and will be a weak spot.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks amts and Andrew for the clues about their limits. For anyone who may be interested in these options in the future I'll try to provide further explanation...

                        First off, the most common reason to use large top spacers:

                        Originally posted by glen_ep
                        Large (2") top spaces like those are used as a cheap lift, instead of a real one. It'll provide you with a lifted height, but will not increase suspension travel (compression and droop) like aftermarket suspension does.
                        To do this cheap lift properly you must also install extended bump stops. The length of the extensions would require some careful calculations and testing due to the bump stop locations (it's not as simple as 2" lift = 2" extension). If the bump stops are not extended there's a very strong possibility that the standard coilovers will be regularly compressed to their limits (spring bind or shock compression), causing a harsh metal-on-metal impact, rather than a smooth absorption by the suspension. This is dangerous for vehicle handling and likely to eventually cause failures.

                        Secondly, the smaller top spacers such as Andrew's 6mm ones:
                        The only difference with these is the amount of lift they provide. They still create the exact same risks explained above regarding large spacers, except with less likelihood and a lower degree of impact. Anyone installing small top spacers should confirm whether their existing bump stops will still protect their existing coilovers from over compression.

                        I think it's also important to note that in regards to both scenarios above, you must not assume that it's safe to install X spacers and Y bump stops on your vehicle just because someone else has done so. The reason being, it's unlikely you have the exact same vehicle model, weight and shock/spring models. Differences in these variables will affect the level of compression and/or what your coilover's maximum limits are, thus, affect which length of bump stop is appropriate.

                        There' no doubt that achieving lift with raised height aftermarket coilovers from a reputable company is the better way to go. They not only provide more benefits (suspension travel and durability), but they're also likely to have passed enough research & development to ensure all components are working within their limits.

                        Hopefully I have that all right
                        glen_ep - engineered, 4" lift, 33" 255/85R16, lockers, 4.88 ratios www.pradopoint.com.au/showthread.php?17237 www.youtube.com/user/glenep www.fb.com/groups/ToyotaPrado90

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                        • #13
                          Nice summary Glen
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                          • #14
                            Great work on reiterating your knowledge guys. As said earlier, already decided against them. But thanks all for your input!

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