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    Hi, one existing Tough Dog Heavy Duty Foam shock on 2002 TX is oozing fluid and needs to be replaced. Other Tough Dog shock seems to be OK. Rear suspension is air bag.

    Questions

    1. Is it best to replace both front shocks or just the one that is faulty?
    2. Based on reading here, Tough Dog is not favoured. We plan to tow a wind up caravan Offroad in the near future. Given this what would you use as a replacement?

    Cheers

  • #2
    Went through 3 sets of Tough Dog adjustables on my 98 Prado. Just replaced all my Bilsteins on the 120 after 90,000km when I had a slight leak from one at the rear. Given my travels I am more than happy with the billies.
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    • #3
      Shocks usually come in a pair and are best replaced in a pair . Just my opinion but I won't be using anything other than the genuine Toyota stuff , my tems shocks have done 195000ks and are only now starting to show problems , see if you can get near that with an aftermarket shock made by Bruce from Australia or any after market rubbish ? These 4wd forums are littered with busted shock complaints , not many mention that it was the Toyota gear that failed . I've done a lot of these tracks that people talk about and at twice the speed which is what destroys shocks . Think about it , Toyota who were one of the first companies to develop a 4wd for Australia , and have been doing so for a long time , spend billions developing their vehicles and suspension . Bruce of Australia thinks he can do better and spends a couple of hundred grand developing his shocks , and you read lots in forums about them failing . In MY OPINION and ONLY my opinion these shocks are produced for the type of shit boxes that appear in 4x4 action magazines that would be lucky to get out of your driveway without needing to be fixed with some fencing wire . Just my 2 cents
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      • #4
        Kav, I'm pretty sure Toyota don't actually make shocks, they just source them form differ suppliers based on country of build.

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        • #5
          The Toyota shocks in my first 120 were stuffed after 60 thou, my current OME struts are still fine after 90,000k. Like Bushy I give the a hard time with lots of outback travel.

          Never seen a single shock for sale, so replace both.

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          • #6
            There is nothing particularly wrong with Tough Dog, like any brand they have their fans and their detractors. Shocks are like tyres, if you only need to replace one, then the other one on the same axle should be about the same condition so consider replacing them at least as a pair if not as a complete set. Bilstein is generally regarded as a premium product and is probably the best handling shock.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by kav View Post
              Shocks usually come in a pair and are best replaced in a pair . Just my opinion but I won't be using anything other than the genuine Toyota stuff , my tems shocks have done 195000ks and are only now starting to show problems , see if you can get near that with an aftermarket shock made by Bruce from Australia or any after market rubbish ? These 4wd forums are littered with busted shock complaints , not many mention that it was the Toyota gear that failed . I've done a lot of these tracks that people talk about and at twice the speed which is what destroys shocks . Think about it , Toyota who were one of the first companies to develop a 4wd for Australia , and have been doing so for a long time , spend billions developing their vehicles and suspension . Bruce of Australia thinks he can do better and spends a couple of hundred grand developing his shocks , and you read lots in forums about them failing . In MY OPINION and ONLY my opinion these shocks are produced for the type of shit boxes that appear in 4x4 action magazines that would be lucky to get out of your driveway without needing to be fixed with some fencing wire . Just my 2 cents
              My toyota struts were leaking oil pretty bad after 100000k's. I can't imagine I'm the only one. They didn't have a hard life either.

              Originally posted by Bushbasher View Post
              Went through 3 sets of Tough Dog adjustables on my 98 Prado. Just replaced all my Bilsteins on the 120 after 90,000km when I had a slight leak from one at the rear. Given my travels I am more than happy with the billies.
              I 2nd billies. Admittedly mine have only done 15000ks but they feel good so far.
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              • #8
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                • #9
                  It took 370,000 for this to happen to my Yotas..

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RanJ View Post
                    It took 370,000 for this to happen to my Yotas..
                    This is the problem with the o.e ones, they snap off.
                    Internally the o.e are good.

                    Struts & shocks are sold separetly or as a pair.

                    You can replace one, but I suggest replacing them as a pair.
                    I once had raw 4x4 ( Powerdown) provide under warranty, only the one to replace the failed one, I was not impressed & the vehicle never bounced evenly. Those have since been replaced with other brand. The failure was @ about 10,000kkms, no dampening at all.
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                    • #11
                      Just remember what the oem shocks/springs are designed for. It's a factory 150 with factory weight driven under conditions that 90% of Prado's would experience. when you start significantly changing one of those factors, the suspension has to work harder than originally designed and time to failure decreases drastically. Take my 150, winch bar, winch, dual battery air compressor, etc. All of this lead to my factory shocks dying by 30,000 km. I went the after market route as they designed suspension to fit my weight loads, and came with added benefit of giving me substantially better clearance and flex off-road, as well as driving better than the factory setup did from new.

                      If you decide to upgrade, go find some forum members with similar setup to you, and have gone with tough dog, ome, bilstien, etc set ups. Drive them, see how they feel, ask the member their thoughts and pro's and con's on their setup. Finally go talk to the various 4wd shops and compare prices and how they fit your budget/requirements. Remember anyone trying to sell you something isn't always going to tell you the perfect advice when they potentially have a vested interest in one product over another. Hence driving some other members rigs will help you decide what is right for you. Good luck and as mentioned replace both sides together, not individually, or your asking for trouble!
                      Ryzz
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                      Last edited by Ryzz; 25-08-2013, 11:26 PM.
                      My Rig: 150 GXL D4D, Tough Dog adjustable suspension with 60mm lift, Polyair bags, ARB Winch Bar, Warn Winch with Dynamica Rope, Outback Ideas recovery points, GME UHF, HID Low/High Beam, Lightforce Genesis HID Spots, Dual Battery Setup with rear power outlets, ARB air compressor in engine bay, ~30L Watertank mounted behind fueltank.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kav View Post
                        Shocks usually come in a pair and are best replaced in a pair . Just my opinion but I won't be using anything other than the genuine Toyota stuff , my tems shocks have done 195000ks and are only now starting to show problems , see if you can get near that with an aftermarket shock made by Bruce from Australia or any after market rubbish ? These 4wd forums are littered with busted shock complaints , not many mention that it was the Toyota gear that failed . I've done a lot of these tracks that people talk about and at twice the speed which is what destroys shocks . Think about it , Toyota who were one of the first companies to develop a 4wd for Australia , and have been doing so for a long time , spend billions developing their vehicles and suspension . Bruce of Australia thinks he can do better and spends a couple of hundred grand developing his shocks , and you read lots in forums about them failing . In MY OPINION and ONLY my opinion these shocks are produced for the type of shit boxes that appear in 4x4 action magazines that would be lucky to get out of your driveway without needing to be fixed with some fencing wire . Just my 2 cents

                        The factory shocks on these will be made by either Tokico or KYB.
                        They are a very basic shock like an excel G.
                        People don't talk of busting Toyota genuine stuff out on tracks, as nobody is running them out on tracks.
                        You do hear of breakages, but you may hear of one breakage for every 200 or so people out there with the same gear in their cars.
                        If everyone was running OE Toyota gear in tracks all over the country, i am sure that you would be hearing of a failure rate much higher than the Quality aftermarket gear out there.

                        The Lower eye bushes in the Prado's are notoriously a weak spot and even more so when a vehicle is lifted. It puts more stress on the lower leg & this is where a lot of failures occur.
                        To do 195,000kms on a factory shock is miles past it's use by date. the lower eye bush would have been sagged far beyond its useable limit long before then.
                        Just MY OPINION also.


                        For the original poster of this thread, if you like the Tough Dog shocks you already had, go for it with those again if that's what you want to do.
                        Tough Dog have undertaken some enormous improvements with their products in recent years with the introduction of Military grade Viton seals in all of their shocks & huge strength improvements.

                        We see a warranty rate of less than 0.5% on these & considering the hell that some people submit them to, i think that's pretty good.

                        They are also far far superior with their foam cell technology to the original Toyota gear in their ability to handle sustained corrugations without fading into a wallowing mess.

                        Regards, Jason.

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                        • #13
                          I remember my old 909 series shocks were stamped KYB.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wholesalesuspension View Post
                            The factory shocks on these will be made by either Tokico or KYB.
                            They are a very basic shock like an excel G.
                            People don't talk of busting Toyota genuine stuff out on tracks, as nobody is running them out on tracks.
                            You do hear of breakages, but you may hear of one breakage for every 200 or so people out there with the same gear in their cars.
                            If everyone was running OE Toyota gear in tracks all over the country, i am sure that you would be hearing of a failure rate much higher than the Quality aftermarket gear out there.

                            The Lower eye bushes in the Prado's are notoriously a weak spot and even more so when a vehicle is lifted. It puts more stress on the lower leg & this is where a lot of failures occur.
                            To do 195,000kms on a factory shock is miles past it's use by date. the lower eye bush would have been sagged far beyond its useable limit long before then.
                            Just MY OPINION also.


                            For the original poster of this thread, if you like the Tough Dog shocks you already had, go for it with those again if that's what you want to do.
                            Tough Dog have undertaken some enormous improvements with their products in recent years with the introduction of Military grade Viton seals in all of their shocks & huge strength improvements.

                            We see a warranty rate of less than 0.5% on these & considering the hell that some people submit them to, i think that's pretty good.

                            They are also far far superior with their foam cell technology to the original Toyota gear in their ability to handle sustained corrugations without fading into a wallowing mess.

                            Regards, Jason.
                            Let me guess ! You sell aftermarket shocks , yes the originals will probably be KYB , I haven't looked , haven't needed to , my standards handled the thousands of Klms of the cape at high speed , that's 8000 Kms in 15 days , it's actually my airbags that are failing . Cheers Stuart I need to add , when I did the creb track on the way up , my standard grande made the other 2 bilstein shod 120s look ridiculous , and that came from the passenger in the lead car .
                            03 grande v6 , with added stuff that makes it go places . RTFM people !
                            founding member of the " you don't need all that crap on a prado association "
                            "you only use 15% of your brain " Einstein . " so why not burn off the other 85% " Cheech & Chong .
                            petrol , petrol ,petrol , you know it makes sense ! im kavpetrolbitch

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kav View Post
                              Let me guess ! You sell aftermarket shocks , yes the originals will probably be KYB , I haven't looked , haven't needed to , my standards handled the thousands of Klms of the cape at high speed , that's 8000 Kms in 15 days , it's actually my airbags that are failing . Cheers Stuart I need to add , when I did the creb track on the way up , my standard grande made the other 2 bilstein shod 120s look ridiculous , and that came from the passenger in the lead car .

                              I do sell shocks, but my mechanical knowledge and experience is what has given me my opinion on them, not which brand i have on the shelf.

                              That's great going for the life you have seen out of your OE gear.
                              I would poke my head under and look at the lower eye bushes in the shocks though, as they are probably horribly offset by now.

                              Its always going to be horses for courses when it comes to our personal opinions on matters.
                              But some people will need more than the factory shocks can offer them, especially on heavily laden Touring setups where roll control is required.

                              Regards, Jason.
                              wholesalesuspension
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                              Last edited by wholesalesuspension; 27-08-2013, 05:00 PM. Reason: schpelling mishtake

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