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    Hi pradoers,

    Im a 90 series owner. my prado has no off road mods so far, it has 12 years old suspension which i bet are gotta be pretty much messed up cause of the time. I wanna know what is the feeling of putting a good off road suspension set in the 90 series. how diferent does it makes the driving, stability etc. i driven fj's and prados 120 with mods and the driving feeling is amazing. i know it depends on which "specific suspension" brand you set up. just wanna hear the feed back of people who has changed their susp on their 90's

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    A remarkable difference in stability, cornering and comfort. Choose quality components and they will last a lot longer. Lovells Springs and Koni shocks work bloody well for me.

    Reidy
    Matt- 2001 GXL Turbo Diesel- ARB Deluxe Bar, Tigerz11 10 000lb Winch, Brown Davis Underguard, IPF 800XS, GME TX3400, Custom Draw System, LT 265/75r16 BFG All-Terrain T/A's, Lovells and Konis, Unifilter. My rig [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?24975-Reidy-s-2001-GXL-95-Series[/url]

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    • #3
      12 year old suspension will be shagged. New suspension will make a world of difference. Dont expect your 90 to drive as well as a 120/FJ though, as I think the chassis to body mounts on the later models are vastly better.

      Be careful to avoid the "Heavy Duty" packages. I got talked into HD rear springs in my 90 series and the back end sat up a bit too high and was quite harsh. Fine when it was loaded up with a trailer etc but a bit to firm for me when unloaded which is most of the time.

      When/if I change out the susp in my new one I would look at a medium rate spring and probably throw a set of air bags in there for extra towing.

      Just my opinion and I am sure others will have theirs.

      Chriso
      [COLOR=blue]Current rig - 150 GXL D4D Auto TJM bullbar. Airtec Snorkel. ARB Underbonnet Comp.
      Previous rig - 02 TD GXL.[/COLOR]

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      • #4
        I have EFS on my 90, Awesome handling and wheel travel, just make sure you get matched suspension for which ever brand you choose. The shocks need to be matched to the springs so that you get a nice compliant ride. Steer clear of Tuff Dog, and anything sold on ebay at all costs
        97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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        • #5
          I have ARB OME on my 90 series and they made a huge difference. Stopped the body roll and ' wallowing' and soaks up the bigger hits much better...
          2000 Prado 95 Series 3.4 v6 GXL, OME Nitro Charger Sport, 2" lift, ARB Deluxe Bar, Warn WD9000, Safari Snorkel, GME TX4500, ARB Air Lockers, Hayman Reece Towbar, Ruffnuts seat covers, Sandgrabba mats

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chriso57 View Post
            Be careful to avoid the "Heavy Duty" packages.
            Unless you plan on carrying a lot of weight a lot of the time my friend. I have HD in the front and medium in the rear. Does the trick. I have the diesel though with a steel bullbar, winch and dual batteries which warrants the HD IMHO. I will probably supplement the rear with Polyairs if I ever load the car up big time, but it rides really well with the little weight in the back from day to day.

            When push comes to shove, work out what you want to do with the vehicle and then choose the appropriate set-up.
            Matt- 2001 GXL Turbo Diesel- ARB Deluxe Bar, Tigerz11 10 000lb Winch, Brown Davis Underguard, IPF 800XS, GME TX3400, Custom Draw System, LT 265/75r16 BFG All-Terrain T/A's, Lovells and Konis, Unifilter. My rig [url]http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?24975-Reidy-s-2001-GXL-95-Series[/url]

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            • #7
              As said already, ask 10 people and you'll get 10 different answers.
              I ended up putting in Bilstein shocks with the raised (but not heavy duty) King Springs
              I was after comfort and improvement in handling more than the ability to be able to rock hop. So i am completely satisfied with the outcome
              When we get the camper, i'll whack airbags in to assist the rear end when towing. My thoughts on HD are much the same as reida's, as the ride would be too harsh when driving unladen. Which reality for most is about 90% of the time
              Our 6 year old and 3 year old try their hardest to make sure there is no time or money for the other baby

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              • #8
                Like Reida & letsgoplaces previously mentioned, I'd avoid heavy duty springs unless you're carrying a lot of weight a lot of the time. I've got heavy duty springs in the front because I've got a steel bull bar, winch and dual batteries. It rides well with this extra 100kg plus over standard sitting on the front end. I had the HD suspension fitted in the front a couple of weeks before the alloy bar was replaced with a steel one and the ride was a bit harsh previously. It still really didn't soften up properly until the winch was added a few months later. But still no body roll on corners which is what you'd expect. Plus the front was lifted by 3 inches initially which probably wasn't too good for the CV's until the rest of the heavy accessories were fitted to drop the height by an inch down to a 2 inch lift in the front. Until the accessories were fitted I could put my entire body weight on the front alloy bar and the front of the car barely dropped in height.

                With the medium duty springs in the rear, they're good for an unladen ride. They are a little bit firm, but still give a comfortable ride. I've loaded the car up very heavy with the medium springs in the rear and the bump stops never got tested until I hit two pretty bad dips at speed on the Peninsula Developmental Road in the Cape. My previous standard rear suspension was crap with loads in the car. The rear end would sag something shocking and the bump stops would hit frequently when driving on a bumpy bitumen highway. I've since surpassed those kinds of weights with more weight and the medium duty springs handle it fine. The rear suspension height didn't drop as much as expected. With HD rear springs I reckon I'd need 250kg of extra weight permanently placed over the rear axle to soften the ride a bit so you don't feel every little bump in the road.

                I've found aftermarket 2 inch raised suspension to be profoundly better than standard suspension. The ride, handling and load carrying capability on any road/track is better. Stability with driving at faster speeds on rough roads/tracks feels safer.
                Brett1979
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                Last edited by Brett1979; 05-11-2012, 09:10 PM.
                2005 120 series V6 Grande, 2 inch susp lift (King/EFS combo), 32 inch MT’s, Safari Snorkel, rear diff lock, breathers, Light Force spotlights, UHF, dual batteries.

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                • #9
                  Hi guys.
                  To throw my 2 cents in. On IFS vehicles more and more we are starting to see damaged shocks with either legs or eyes ripped off the bottom of the shock or destroyed internals.
                  - 9 times out of 10 it is being caused by the use of a HD Spring in an application where it was not needed.
                  -We are seeing excessive front ride heights & once a bit of weight is put into the back of the vehicle or a Trailer is hooked up it acts like a see-saw and the nose goes up higher.
                  The Shocks run out of upstroke and top out internally & it's only a matter of time until the weakest link is found, whether that be the strut leg, the metal eyelet for the bush or in one case we have seen the lower control arm mounting bracket on the arm breaks clean off.
                  -I always try to qualify my customers and find out the complete fitout of the vehicle before we recommend a spring. If a person tells me they are planning on fitting a Winch, Bullbar and Dual Batteries 6 months down the track i would prefer not to sell them a HD spring until that time and will recommend them not to put HD springs in until the accessories are all installed.

                  -I have seen people bag a lot of peoples Products when things have broken on IFS vehicles and give suppliers a bad reputation, and not always, but a lot of the time it has been due to misapplication of a product.

                  If you see a shock come off a car with an eyelet ripped open like a can opener you can be pretty positive it is because it has been topped out constantly & if it had been setup correctly it never would have occurred.

                  -The worst culprits for this are the Dual cab Hilux's, Navara's & Triton's with Space cab length or longer trays fitted. They have huuuuuuge overhangs & are really hard to setup correctly.

                  It pays to do it once and do it right.

                  Regards, Jason.
                  wholesalesuspension
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                  Last edited by wholesalesuspension; 06-11-2012, 01:02 PM. Reason: i can't spell !

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wholesalesuspension View Post
                    Hi guys.
                    To throw my 2 cents in. On IFS vehicles more and more we are starting to see damaged shocks with either legs or eyes ripped off the bottom of the shock or destroyed internals.
                    - 9 times out of 10 it is being caused by the use of a HD Spring in an application where it was not needed.
                    -We are seeing excessive front ride heights & once a bit of weight is put into the back of the vehicle or a Trailer is hooked up it acts like a see-saw and the nose goes up higher.
                    The Shocks run out of upstroke and top out internally & it's only a matter of time until the weakest link is found, whether that be the strut leg, the metal eyelet for the bush or in one case we have seen the lower control arm mounting bracket on the arm breaks clean off.
                    -I always try to qualify my customers and find out the complete fitout of the vehicle before we recommend a spring. If a person tells me they are planning on fitting a Winch, Bullbar and Dual Batteries 6 months down the track i would prefer not to sell them a HD spring until that time and will recommend them not to put HD springs in until the accessories are all installed.

                    -I have seen people bag a lot of peoples Products when things have broken on IFS vehicles and give suppliers a bad reputation, and not always, but a lot of the time it has been due to misapplication of a product.

                    If you see a shock come off a car with an eyelet ripped open like a can opener you can be pretty positive it is because it has been topped out constantly & if it had been setup correctly it never would have occurred.

                    -The worst culprits for this are the Dual cab Hilux's, Navara's & Triton's with Space cab length or longer trays fitted. They have huuuuuuge overhangs & are really hard to setup correctly.

                    It pays to do it once and do it right.

                    Regards, Jason.

                    From my experience that is normally caused from the incorrect shock length or miss matched suspension systems or people fitting shocks designed for a different vehicle.
                    97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by croozza View Post
                      From my experience that is normally caused from the incorrect shock length or miss matched suspension systems or people fitting shocks designed for a different vehicle.
                      Mismatched suspension systems is exactly what causes the problem.
                      You can put a 2 inch lifted Shock on a car, then put a HD Spring where not required & it can raise the front beyond 3 inches. Then put a trailer off the back or weight in the car behind the axle line and it is well over 4 inches. This is where the topping out problems over bumps on rebound begin.

                      Regards, Jason.

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                      • #12
                        Good advice in this thread - agrees with my experience with ARB OME. We went the mid stiffness spring for travelling on outback roads with camping gear etc and the improvement over the standard still leaves me gobsmacked. The wagon sings over corrugates and slithering untidily into a washout is met with a nice firm compression instead of a teeth rattling bottom out on the suspension stops.

                        It does not roll or wallow around town but is harsher when nothing in the vehicle. Get the right system for what you want to do.

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                        • #13
                          Well, I have 881 OME coils ( 2,5" ) with nitrocharger sports shocks on front and before I had 890 OME coils with nitrocharger sports shocks in the back.

                          Right now in the back is another story: 80 series standart front coils and rear 80 series shocks and I can not be happier!!!! They are way more confortable, very good height ( 3,5" ), awesome flex, when I put weight matches the front, etc, etc, etc.

                          I'm very very happy with my actual setup!!

                          Cheers
                          Prado RZJ90. OME 881 coils Nitrocharger Sport shocks front, 80 Series front coils & rear 80 series Tokico shocks rear, 255/85R16 Cooper Discoverer ST, Viper rocksliders, parking brake cable rear axle bracket, extended rear brake line, extended diff breathers, headers, engine perfomance mods, soon LR upper control arms, ARB rear locker in the future.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by croozza View Post
                            Steer clear of Tuff Dog, and anything sold on ebay at all costs
                            Why? Whats wrong with Tuff Dog
                            Malcom
                            Prado 95 TX turbo diesel
                            LC100 GXL turbo diesel

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MalcomM View Post
                              Why? Whats wrong with Tuff Dog
                              You may as well take the springs and shocks out and let it ride on the bump stops..... it will be a better ride than Ruff Dog.
                              97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


                              [B]Bitumen - A blatant waste of taxpayers money![/B]

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