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    Hi all,

    I've got a odd problem.
    1. I do a long drive, say over an hour. Turn off the car.
    2. Start the car again, be it 10 seconds of 10 hours later. Car starts normally.
    3. Car stalls after running for about 3-5 seconds.
    4. Start the car again. It cranks for a couple of seconds longer than normal before it starts, then all is good.

    Can anyone offer any ideas as to what's causing the stall? It's not a drama, just annoying. And never happens on shorter drives.

  • #2
    Depends on which model diesel motor you have ie 1kz or 1Kd.
    Could be due to air in fuel lines or blocked fuel filter
    just some thoughts..

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SnowGuide View Post
      Hi all,

      I've got a odd problem.
      1. I do a long drive, say over an hour. Turn off the car.
      2. Start the car again, be it 10 seconds of 10 hours later. Car starts normally.
      3. Car stalls after running for about 3-5 seconds.
      4. Start the car again. It cranks for a couple of seconds longer than normal before it starts, then all is good.

      Can anyone offer any ideas as to what's causing the stall? It's not a drama, just annoying. And never happens on shorter drives.
      Mate mine just did the exact same as you describe today,
      I have only owned the vehicle for a month or so...........today was the first time i have really driven it for any length of time.

      So drove for 2.5hrs without stopping at mixed hwy speeds between 100-130kph and some slower on dirt,,,anyway pulled over and had some lunch and had the car off for proberbly an hour maybe a little more.......jump in start her up and it fires as per normal but runs for maybe 3 seconds then shuts down...........re-start but it cranks over maybe 8-10 times fires and runs as normal........no further issue????........

      It's an 08 D4D,,,,,,,,is this going to be normal or is it a once off thing?.......FYI it has new filters etc and has done roughly 1k since the service.......

      Advice welcome.

      Dan
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      • #4
        Grrrr. MUMSRIG has started stalling randomly. Only when on cold start up. Cranks fine, starts fine, idles fine for 10-20 secs then stalls. Restart and same again. Might get almost to the top of the drive in reverse and it stalls..

        Will head to Tojo next week and check the codes before investigating too much.

        Especially annoying when it happens mostly to Tammy and not me

        Mitch
        [img]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/1cut808/MUMSRIG/Mitch-Prado.jpg[/img]

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        • #5
          "Cranks fine, starts fine, idles fine for 10-20 secs then stalls"

          Gday MUMSRIG

          Originally posted by D4Dforme View Post
          Mate mine just did the exact same as you describe today,
          I have only owned the vehicle for a month or so...........today was the first time i have really driven it for any length of time.

          So drove for 2.5hrs without stopping at mixed hwy speeds between 100-130kph and some slower on dirt,,,anyway pulled over and had some lunch and had the car off for proberbly an hour maybe a little more.......jump in start her up and it fires as per normal but runs for maybe 3 seconds then shuts down...........re-start but it cranks over maybe 8-10 times fires and runs as normal........no further issue????........

          It's an 08 D4D,,,,,,,,is this going to be normal or is it a once off thing?.......FYI it has new filters etc and has done roughly 1k since the service.......

          Advice welcome.

          Dan
          When reading "SnowGuide & D4Dforme" senario's Sounds like/Could be a Blocked/Restricted tank breather?.... Maybe yours also?

          It is always best to do the simplest of basic tests first before going all intense! Lol.

          Reason for my theory on this is because as the rig is driving on a long journey three things are happening!

          #1: The fuel is heating up and expanding as the fuel returns back to the fuel tank!

          #2: Fuel level in the tank is dropping because you are burning it!

          #3: As the fuel cools it contracts!

          Put all of these three scenario's together and a substantial vacuum has been is created in the fuel tank if the breather is blocked/restricted!... If a substantial vacuum is created in the fuel tank it will suck fuel back into the tank!... This means when you start the engine it will start on initial fuel then stalls!

          When cranking the engine the fuel is purged back into the fuel lines and all is happy again!

          One easy way to confirm this (Blocked breather) is to remove the fuel cap after being on a big drive in order to the dump vacuum that has been created in the tank and leave the cap loose!

          If rig starts without stalling after being stood a long time, you will know the breather is blocked/Restricted!

          Cheers

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          • #6
            Just to follow up on this the vehicle has not done it again..........Just one of those little WTF moments that make it a Prado I suppose!

            Dan
            Can I still play now I have a 200 series?........Had a 2008 120 Series D4D Manual 6 Speed...STANDARD White, Soverign Bar..........Rear Cage........Dashmat.......GX Wheels with Good Year Dura Tracs........Bilstein/Dobbo 2'' lift.....Safari Snorkel....Canvas Seat Covers.....20%tint..........55W HID Headlights.....Mudmats front and rear.....
            22'' Lightbar......

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            • #7
              Ours is only occurring when cold on initial start up. Has happened half a dozen times now.
              [img]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/1cut808/MUMSRIG/Mitch-Prado.jpg[/img]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MUMSRIG View Post
                Grrrr. MUMSRIG has started stalling randomly. Only when on cold start up. Cranks fine, starts fine, idles fine for 10-20 secs then stalls. Restart and same again. Might get almost to the top of the drive in reverse and it stalls..

                Will head to Tojo next week and check the codes before investigating too much.

                Especially annoying when it happens mostly to Tammy and not me

                Mitch
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                • #9
                  Gday MUMSRIG

                  The only other thing i think it could be given that it's intermittent is that there is only two places that will let fuel back into the tank and that's either the fuel rail pressure regulator or the none return valve on the fuel pump!

                  Both of these could dump fuel if not seating properly when the engine is stood for long periods... Plus overnight would be enough time for the fuel in the tank to cool and contract to cause vacuum. (If breather was blocked?).

                  If was leaking injector the engine would stumble (Don't think it is the injector) and would be down one cylinder till it recovered but you was mentioning it started easy then just stalled?.. "SnowGuide & D4Dforme" mentioned a bit awkward to start after first starting then stalling which is why i think more towards fuel purging back to the tank.

                  I would try the fuel cap trick before getting too deep into it all.

                  I believe neither of the above would be severe enough to trigger a fault code!.... Unless there was a sudden dumping of fuel rail pressure whilst the engine is running.

                  Cheers

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                  • #10
                    Tammy took the Prado in to Toyota today as it stalled 2x again on her in traffic taking the eldest to school this morning.

                    I was sleeping as I'm on night shift. It came up with the following codes:
                    DTC15 - Throttle Motor Circuit
                    DTC18 - Spill Control Circuit
                    DTC35 - Map Sensor Circuit

                    Any ideas?

                    I need to find the specs on these so I can test them.

                    I'm about to disconnect the chip again and I'll remove the old harness this time also just to make sure it's completely out of the circuit and see if its possibly the cause of the problem.

                    It's becoming very worrying that its stalling now in traffic when the Mrs is driving with the kids.

                    Cheers
                    Mitch
                    [img]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/1cut808/MUMSRIG/Mitch-Prado.jpg[/img]

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                    • #11
                      Gday MUMSRIG

                      Originally posted by MUMSRIG View Post
                      I'm about to disconnect the chip again and I'll remove the old harness this time also just to make sure it's completely out of the circuit and see if its possibly the cause of the problem.
                      Also make sure to disconnect the battery so that the ECU goes back to factory default as it would have re-mapped its parameters to adjust to the chips mods as it would have self learned its parameters.

                      If you installed the shim to the fuel rail pressure regulator be sure to remove it also!

                      Cheers

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Skywalkerrun View Post
                        Gday MUMSRIG



                        Also make sure to disconnect the battery so that the ECU goes back to factory default as it would have re-mapped its parameters to adjust to the chips mods as it would have self learned its parameters.

                        If you installed the shim to the fuel rail pressure regulator be sure to remove it also!

                        Cheers
                        Roger on all of the above except for the shim? Whats the go with the shim??

                        Geeze the thing is gutless without the chip!!
                        [img]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/1cut808/MUMSRIG/Mitch-Prado.jpg[/img]

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                        • #13
                          Mitch some of the chips need higher fuel pressure so the relief valve / regulator is shimmed to allow the feed to the injectors to be at a higher pressure.

                          Google your chip or check the instructions to see if yours is that type.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mjrandom View Post
                            Mitch some of the chips need higher fuel pressure so the relief valve / regulator is shimmed to allow the feed to the injectors to be at a higher pressure.

                            Google your chip or check the instructions to see if yours is that type.
                            Nope, doesn't have that...

                            Thanks for the heads up though
                            [img]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f296/1cut808/MUMSRIG/Mitch-Prado.jpg[/img]

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                            • #15
                              Hi MUMSRIG, I'm having the same issue with my 2008 D4D.. did you ever find a reason and solution to the problem?

                              At first I was experiencing some flat spots while driving, where the engine revs would drop as if it was starved of fuel, and then it would recover. Has now stalled on me half a dozen times, but not repeatable - i.e. has happened while idling in Neutral, while stationary in Drive, while accelerating away from the lights, while reversing into a car park, etc.. everytime it felt like engine wasn't getting fuel flow.. revs dropped then engine stalled.

                              Have tried cleaning the air flow sensor in the air box with MAF cleaner. Have used injection cleaner additive with fuel. No improvements. Have also just cleaned the fuel tank breather valve, also no difference..
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