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Giles
21-06-2011, 09:44 AM
I dont like to come on here and sell but a few guys keep emailing me.

Outback Ideas Recovery Points.

$130 rrp

Prado point Members $119 free freight and $120 for us to fit.

Regards

Giles

This is an old pics sorry all i could find (Thanks Boomslang! ;) )

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb436/giles5/pp.jpg

PradOz
21-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Thanks Giles, but to my knowledge these do not fit when you have an ARB Deluxe Winch Bar as the two bolts in your picture are used by the winch bar and also the chassis mount brackets on the winch bar are shaped such that they do not allow your recovery points to be fitted.

am i right or wrong? can they fit my ARB Deluxe Winch Bar ?

do you remove the whole bar to fit and then replace the bar?

here are some picture from mine that may help:

http://s4.postimage.org/2o2e53dno/DSCF3999.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2o2e53dno/)http://s4.postimage.org/2o2j3pf50/DSCF4001.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2o2j3pf50/)

http://s4.postimage.org/2o2pput44/DSCF4003.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2o2pput44/) http://s4.postimage.org/2o2t0xi3o/DSCF4004.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/2o2t0xi3o/)

Matty & Loz
21-06-2011, 10:34 AM
Moved to for sale section...

PradOz
22-06-2011, 09:42 PM
anyone have any info on these fitting with my arb deluxe bar???

i have been informed that: "They mount near the Radiator along the rail.They dont mount via the Bar." but i am buggered if i know how???

any ideas or suggestions appreciated for fitting these to my 120 - HELP!

Ozpat
26-06-2011, 11:37 AM
anyone have any info on these fitting with my arb deluxe bar???



Doesn't your arb bar already have built in recovery points? Mine does.

PradOz
26-06-2011, 01:23 PM
Doesn't your arb bar already have built in recovery points? Mine does.

in short ... NO

I just bought the 2 chassis mounting brackets from ARB ($34 each) to replace the two i have that do not have the recovery loops on the end. Mine is the first model deluxe bar ARB made and they never had them.

interestingly when i was buying these two brackets, an ARB manager came over and said to me (and the salesman) that they are not rated recovery points and are not designed as recovery points. He said "they are for towing only" So there you go! He also said "ARB are aware that there is a lot of interest in recovery points for the 120 series but they are not currently discussing or planning to do anything about this presently or in the near future or if at all" He also said off the record "why dont you stiffen them up and weld an additional plate to the side to stiffen them up and brace them" He also added :"if you were stuck somewhere you would use anything in your means to get out including the ARB towing loops" He said he would not comment on any other manufacturers recovery points aftermarket or otherwise

I am sick of reading all the discussion on these ARB bars and the need for rated recovery points. There seems to be so many "official" answers and opinions with no one doing too much about it. I guess until people boycott buying the ARB bars in numbers thay wont listen.

So back to my bar, i am trying to find a welder....a man with a welder that is, and some red paint too. Hoping a mate will come good and call in over the next couple days and we can stiffen these up and fit them. they have a real weak attempt of welding on them straight out of ARB that is. will take some photos later on. and people worry about the toyota weld on their hold down/towing/recovery points or whatever you want to call them. toyotas looks perfect on the prado compared to the arb mess on these brand new brackets

Ozpat
26-06-2011, 02:52 PM
This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

http://s4.postimage.org/1bfou8204/DSC_3398.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1bfou8204/)

D4D
26-06-2011, 02:58 PM
This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

They are NOT rated

Ozpat
26-06-2011, 04:17 PM
They are NOT rated

Anchored at three points, much bigger than Outback Ideas (which I still have pre bullbar) although about 3 mil thinner, I'm surprised to hear that. If they are not rated I don't know what is. I've done a few recoveries with them without dramas. Now you've got me worried, D4D.

Cheers

D4D
26-06-2011, 04:33 PM
Anchored at three points, much bigger than Outback Ideas (which I still have pre bullbar) although about 3 mil thinner, I'm surprised to hear that. If they are not rated I don't know what is. I've done a few recoveries with them without dramas. Now you've got me worried, D4D.

ARB won't put a rating on them due to liability. I would and do use them but remember anything will break when abused.

PradOz
26-06-2011, 07:45 PM
This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

http://s4.postimage.org/1bfou8204/DSC_3398.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1bfou8204/)

yep thats what i am missing on mine and they are what ARB say are towing points not recovery points as per what i previously posted

stressful hey

Tazdevil
26-06-2011, 07:49 PM
Hey Guys

My plan is to Strengthen these points with some 1/4 inch plate before putting the bar on, that should make them strong enough.

Has anyone else considered doing this.

PradOz
26-06-2011, 08:38 PM
Hey Guys

My plan is to Strengthen these points with some 1/4 inch plate before putting the bar on, that should make them strong enough.

Has anyone else considered doing this.

yep, thats what i am doing, well my mate will be doing for me. i am going to fill the back side where all the gaps are. here is a thread that shows someone elses welding work on these because his were bent in a recovery --> http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?11034-ARB-winch-bar/page2&highlight=recovery+points Have a look at it from reply 76 onwards and you will see before and after weld photos. He has lots of photos including the bent brackets. i am going to do something very similar and will also try to add a plate to one side to try increase the thickness of the loop section if it can be done without impeding something else..the one common thing i keep hearing from ARB, and all the other 4wd stores i have been to trying to search out some answers on this is to always use an equaliser strap on the 2 loops and never use 1 loop only. i have met people that have only ever used the factory "tie down welded loops" without any issues but always with an equaliser strap

below are 2 photos of my brand new chassis brackets and you can see what i think are poor welds to the seams between the different sides. there are gaps visible and some areas not welded

http://s2.postimage.org/qdrqwaec/DSCF4590.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qdrqwaec/)

http://s2.postimage.org/qed8vstg/DSCF4592.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qed8vstg/)

this is a photo of my car underneath right now with an ARB deluxe winch bar minus any "recovery loops" and nowhere to fit any unless i use the new ARB brackets and their "NON Recovery Brackets"

http://s2.postimage.org/qes4px9g/DSCF4594.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qes4px9g/)

PradOz
26-06-2011, 10:14 PM
This is left side rated recovery points that was fitted to my ARB deluxe bar.

http://s4.postimage.org/1bfou8204/DSC_3398.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/1bfou8204/)

does anyone have details on the rear bolt fixing (at RHS in this photo)

do you have to drill the other side of chassis or fit a nut inside chassis or something? the earlier model bracket like mine never fixed at this point so i need the correct bolts and whatever else is needed - thanks

iantz
27-06-2011, 10:25 AM
Those welds are amateur PradoOz. The slag has been allowed to run all over the place, there is a spot of splatter in the second pic (just lazy), and the powder coat has already chipped off on the edge of the hole for the shackle in the second pic. Another example of top ARB quality hey? I also doubt these points would need strengthening. You would be more likely to sheer one of the bolts than bend/break the recovery plate, and the ratings on a single M12 HT would be near good enough that you could lift (not snatch) an entire prado with it. So, given you have 3 of these bolts on either side (and only 2 on the outback ideas points), strengthening is really not necessary I wouldn't think. Just my opinion though!

PradOz
27-06-2011, 10:52 AM
Those welds are amateur PradoOz. The slag has been allowed to run all over the place, there is a spot of splatter in the second pic (just lazy), and the powder coat has already chipped off on the edge of the hole for the shackle in the second pic. Another example of top ARB quality hey? I also doubt these points would need strengthening. You would be more likely to sheer one of the bolts than bend/break the recovery plate, and the ratings on a single M12 HT would be near good enough that you could lift (not snatch) an entire prado with it. So, given you have 3 of these bolts on either side (and only 2 on the outback ideas points), strengthening is really not necessary I wouldn't think. Just my opinion though!

i will still get them welded and strengthened. If you look at the second photo the loop section is made of 2 pieces welded together to get the thickness. this then extends up to form a right angle section. the other side of the right angle part is not welded to the main section of steel that it attaches to which can be seen on the photo that has the "L" written on it in texta. IMHO unless this is welded together it just forms a weak point. and unless it is braced on that opposite side the lower loop section will always have the opportunity to bend. thats my opinion only and i will feel better if its "toughened up". I dont like how the pieces that are turned up are not fully welded to each other. i cant weld but i reckon whoever did these brackets isnt too much more experienced than me.

it is these same areas that failed for PP member: "8608" which you can see in the thread i mentioned in reply 13 above. i will plan to make my brackets look something like 8606s in that other thread. you just got to make sure the bash plates can go on/off

iantz
27-06-2011, 03:14 PM
PradoOz - definitely, I would weld it up the bracket better. But, I don't know if I'd bother with the 1/4" plate etc. Mind you, if you're welding and re-powder coating, then you may as well do it properly the first time hey?

samo
27-06-2011, 05:49 PM
there is no slag that has run on these weld, they have been done with a mig welder that was set to hot and they have been done in the vertical down position, which has allowed the molten pool of weld to run down to the lowest point of the weld,, lazy because the welder could not be bothered to change it, and the other side needs to be welded as well, must have been a friday arvo job. take them back and get them to fix them properly, if you are paying good money for a bar, you want decent quality brackets, i think this slipped through quality control. cheers samo

Yeomada
18-07-2011, 08:40 PM
i have the outback ideas recovery points on the front of my 120 series with the genuine toyota bullbar and i swear by them.

PradOz
22-07-2011, 07:13 PM
i have the outback ideas recovery points on the front of my 120 series with the genuine toyota bullbar and i swear by them.

yep they fit the 120 with a sovereign bar and they work just fine, but they dont fit if you have or are planning to have a steel winch bar eg: the ARB Deluxe Winch Bar

you are left to your own devices in that case. me i am fitting new chassis brackets as posted above but they are rewelded and have bracing brackets on the inside and a steel rod on the outside at the top edge of the loop to prevent it all bending as has happened before to another pper and all details of that are shown on pp

Case
23-07-2011, 07:44 AM
What type of Bolts hold there on (size and length) i bought a set from TJM and they didn't come with bolts. but there are no bolts on the car, is there meant to be bolts on the car (should i be looking for a prado at the supermarkets and jumping under with a spanner) :p

Case

Stuart
29-07-2011, 03:58 PM
Anchored at three points, much bigger than Outback Ideas (which I still have pre bullbar) although about 3 mil thinner, I'm surprised to hear that. If they are not rated I don't know what is. I've done a few recoveries with them without dramas. Now you've got me worried, D4D.

Cheers
Aren't they just tie down points? We have the same thing, and have been told by ARB and Toyota they are not rated to recover off. We have done, but the recovery was VERY easy (we've pulled people out of sand - certainly nothing hard).

Just out of curiosity, why are the recovery points being sold by the original poster so expensive? I don't know how much they are worth normally, but $130 + freight seems damn expensive for a bit of steel and some high tensile bolts.

Peterpilot
29-07-2011, 08:14 PM
Aren't they just tie down points? We have the same thing, and have been told by ARB and Toyota they are not rated to recover off. We have done, but the recovery was VERY easy (we've pulled people out of sand - certainly nothing hard).

Just out of curiosity, why are the recovery points being sold by the original poster so expensive? I don't know how much they are worth normally, but $130 + freight seems damn expensive for a bit of steel and some high tensile bolts.
Nobody sells "rated" recovery points anymore, they are now called by their politically correct title; "tow" points... and $130 is the RRP, the first post clearly states a Prado Point member price of $119 including freight.

ntp
05-07-2013, 07:13 PM
Good deal/price?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyota-Landcruiser-Prado-120-Series-Recovery-Tow-Points-Red-4WD-4X4-Off-Road-/251296491764?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a827028f4&_uhb=1

Ozpat
05-07-2013, 07:24 PM
Good deal/price?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toyota-Landcruiser-Prado-120-Series-Recovery-Tow-Points-Red-4WD-4X4-Off-Road-/251296491764?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a827028f4&_uhb=1

I've got the same ARB pair never used as I got the ARB bar if anyone wants a better price if in Sydney area or Brissy in a few weeks.

Cheers Jim

pnewfield
23-02-2014, 09:36 PM
How do you fit these with the sovreign bullbar? Is there a spacer supplied to compensate for the bullbar's mounting bracket?