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    Hi,
    I'm new to this forum, so have patience with me if any thing I say sounds ignorant to the expert user

    I have just recently fitted new OME springs and shocks to my KZJ90 (short wheel base prado/colorado, 3.0GXTD) giving it a 2" lift and had to do a 4 wheel alignment after the work. HOWEVER the guys who did the 4wheel alignment did it using the reference numbers for a HZJ100 which is a completely different car and subsequently the car has now slight handling issues. It feels all fine when driving off road or on fine/even tarmac surface BUT when driving on uneven tarmac surface (such as streets with patchy asfalt work) it pulls slightly to left or right depending on the surface (dog tracking etc) which i believe is because of this alignment issue.

    I wonder if any one here has any ideas/feedback on this and could help me with the values that need to be used for the car when doing the 4wheel alignment?

    The car is a 3.0turbo diesel (and called Colorado here in UK) short wheel base and I have 265x70R16 wheels on it (which i believe is the standard wheel size for this model) and I live in London/UK.
    Any help would be appreciated.

    Cheers,
    Landcruiser Colorado KZJ90(SWB) 3.0GXTD, 2" OME lift

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    Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

    Originally posted by i4hero
    Hi,
    I'm new to this forum, so have patience with me if any thing I say sounds ignorant to the expert user

    I have just recently fitted new OME springs and shocks to my KZJ90 (short wheel base prado/colorado, 3.0GXTD) giving it a 2" lift and had to do a 4 wheel alignment after the work. HOWEVER the guys who did the 4wheel alignment did it using the reference numbers for a HZJ100 which is a completely different car and subsequently the car has now slight handling issues. It feels all fine when driving off road or on fine/even tarmac surface BUT when driving on uneven tarmac surface (such as streets with patchy asfalt work) it pulls slightly to left or right depending on the surface (dog tracking etc) which i believe is because of this alignment issue.

    I wonder if any one here has any ideas/feedback on this and could help me with the values that need to be used for the car when doing the 4wheel alignment?

    The car is a 3.0turbo diesel (and called Colorado here in UK) short wheel base and I have 265x70R16 wheels on it (which i believe is the standard wheel size for this model) and I live in London/UK.
    Any help would be appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Take it back, and tell them the problems your having, and ask them why they did it to the specs of a 100 series. Make sure it gets done to 90 series specs, if they wont do that ask for a refund and dob them in to your authorities other there. They are making vehicles dangerous by using incorrect specs. by the way, you only need a front wheel alignment, not a 4 wheel alignment.
    97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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    • #3
      Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

      Ye get them to do it again by the correct specks.
      They do the 4 wheel alignment to see how your back wheels are tracking to the front. And adjust so your front end and back end track in the same direction. (sometimes even in a slight crab walk in relation to the body, but the back and front wheels are true to one another).
      Also they should give you the computer readout of the alignment (you could cross check this, after they have done it with the right specs)
      Dan
      Danrex

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      • #4
        Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

        Originally posted by Danrex
        Ye get them to do it again by the correct specks.
        They do the 4 wheel alignment to see how your back wheels are tracking to the front. And adjust so your front end and back end track in the same direction. (sometimes even in a slight crab walk in relation to the body, but the back and front wheels are true to one another).
        Also they should give you the computer readout of the alignment (you could cross check this, after they have done it with the right specs)
        Dan
        That will work if you had independent front and rear suspension, however the Prado does not, the live rear end will scew off to one side, (i think to the drivers side) and the only way that can be fixed is with an adjustable panhard rod, with the front end, when it gets lifted the front track will actually narrow, this cannot be done with a live rear end, so what they are telling you are lies just to charge you more I would say.
        97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


        [B]Bitumen - A blatant waste of taxpayers money![/B]

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        • #5
          Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

          Originally posted by croozza
          That will work if you had independent front and rear suspension, however the Prado does not, the live rear end will scew off to one side, (i think to the drivers side) and the only way that can be fixed is with an adjustable panhard rod, with the front end, when it gets lifted the front track will actually narrow, this cannot be done with a live rear end, so what they are telling you are lies just to charge you more I would say.
          Hi Crooza,
          Does this mean that a 4wheel alignment wouldn't really help, even if it was done using the values for the right car (and not a HZJ100 like in this case)? If so, this would mean anyone with a lift would actually need to add an adjustable panhard rod, which is not what I can read here in this forum from those who have susp-lift.

          Cheers,
          Landcruiser Colorado KZJ90(SWB) 3.0GXTD, 2" OME lift

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          • #6
            Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

            Originally posted by i4hero
            Originally posted by croozza
            That will work if you had independent front and rear suspension, however the Prado does not, the live rear end will scew off to one side, (i think to the drivers side) and the only way that can be fixed is with an adjustable panhard rod, with the front end, when it gets lifted the front track will actually narrow, this cannot be done with a live rear end, so what they are telling you are lies just to charge you more I would say.
            Hi Crooza,
            Does this mean that a 4wheel alignment wouldn't really help, even if it was done using the values for the right car (and not a HZJ100 like in this case)? If so, this would mean anyone with a lift would actually need to add an adjustable panhard rod, which is not what I can read here in this forum from those who have susp-lift.

            Cheers,

            Yes that is right, a 4 wheel alignment will not help, you cannot change the allignment on the rear of a live axle vehicle (due to nothing to adjust) unless you change either control arms, or panhard rod.
            As for the panhard rod, you should change this when you lift the vehicle, however most don't (I haven't either) as the rear axle will be cocked out to the drivers side by about 15-20mm, which is not enough to warrent this mod.

            Just for your information, if you lift an independently sprung vehicle you will actually narrow the track of the vehicle, if you lift a live axle vehicle you shorten the wheel base, as for the Prado you are doing both due to the IFS and live rear, adding adjustable rear control arms will give you your correct wheel base back, adding an adjustable panhard rod will move the rear axle back to where it should be, to get the front wheel back to the correct track width is alot of work.
            97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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            • #7
              Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

              Originally posted by croozza
              Originally posted by Danrex
              Ye get them to do it again by the correct specks.
              They do the 4 wheel alignment to see how your back wheels are tracking to the front. And adjust so your front end and back end track in the same direction. (sometimes even in a slight crab walk in relation to the body, but the back and front wheels are true to one another).
              Also they should give you the computer readout of the alignment (you could cross check this, after they have done it with the right specs)
              Dan
              That will work if you had independent front and rear suspension, however the Prado does not, the live rear end will scew off to one side, (i think to the drivers side) and the only way that can be fixed is with an adjustable panhard rod, with the front end, when it gets lifted the front track will actually narrow, this cannot be done with a live rear end, so what they are telling you are lies just to charge you more I would say.
              Sorry might have come across wrong.
              They don't adjust the back they use it as a reference to the front so all four wheels are close to tracking all the same.
              Danrex

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              • #8
                Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

                Originally posted by Danrex
                Originally posted by croozza
                Originally posted by Danrex
                Ye get them to do it again by the correct specks.
                They do the 4 wheel alignment to see how your back wheels are tracking to the front. And adjust so your front end and back end track in the same direction. (sometimes even in a slight crab walk in relation to the body, but the back and front wheels are true to one another).
                Also they should give you the computer readout of the alignment (you could cross check this, after they have done it with the right specs)
                Dan
                That will work if you had independent front and rear suspension, however the Prado does not, the live rear end will scew off to one side, (i think to the drivers side) and the only way that can be fixed is with an adjustable panhard rod, with the front end, when it gets lifted the front track will actually narrow, this cannot be done with a live rear end, so what they are telling you are lies just to charge you more I would say.
                Sorry might have come across wrong.
                They don't adjust the back they use it as a reference to the front so all four wheels are close to tracking all the same.

                So it is just a 2 wheel alignment then, you may get a slight pull to the left due to the rear diff not sitting true centre. Not much of a drama though, if you get sick of the left pull, you now know how to fix it. A adjustable panhard is around the $300-$400 mark. They are totally legel, just notify your insurance co before you do it.
                97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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                • #9
                  Re: wheel alignment after 2" lift

                  Thanks guys for all the feedback. Very appreciated.
                  Gotta admit though that I thought it'd be an easy thing, getting the car lifted. I didn't realize what a big impact it would have on the wheel alignment and car handling.
                  However, as I mentioned, it's not a major problem. just something that wasn't there before and it annoys me a little bit. I'll probably do a front wheel alignment and leave it at that. That should do the job I hope.

                  cheers,
                  Landcruiser Colorado KZJ90(SWB) 3.0GXTD, 2" OME lift

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