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    Hi there,
    Just got meself a stock 2.7l 1999 prado rv. Clean as a whistle, just wanting to know what you would recommend in the 2inch lift range? Will this affect my ride on the highways? Unfortunately it'll be the miss's run-around as well, so i don't want her to be complaining either.
    Whats a good yet economical brand for a lift? Also whats the go with the so called poly air bags?
    I'm looking for a winch bar, to fit a winch (of course), 2nd battery, and some spotties. At the rear, i'll be carrying just the camping gear, prehaps a fridge, and maybe in the future a small camper trailer.

    Appreaciate your help.

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    Re: NEW GUY Needs Advice?

    Hi moprado,

    After my 2 inch lift (OME from ARB), I found on road driving and corning was absolutely fine. I didn't specifically test 100+km/h driving, but at 80km/h there was no obvious difference. Once the larger mud tires went on the changes were more noticable: corners are soft, the body rolls a little and steering lost some prescision. Also, (seeing you're planing on a winch), after having a steel bullbar fitted, I noticed an general truck-like slugishness to the vehicle.

    So my advice:

    Suspension - Definitely get it done. There's plenty info around on brands so do some reading, but FIRST, work out your realistic modification plans, because any added weight on the front (second battery, winch, bullbar) will make a diference to the suspension components you need to buy.

    Poly air bags - Don't have them, never used them, so can't really advise. I decided not to get because it may encourage overloading, which in combination with bag presure leakage or a bag rupture, would mean trouble I don't need.

    Winch bar - Given you have a 2.7L, and this sounds like your (wife's) daily driver, consider getting a light alloy bar and a hand winch. Hand winches are more versitile as you can pull in any direction, and it's weight that can be removed for daily driving. This suits most people as they spend 95% of driving on tarmac, don't purposely get stuck 4x4ing every weekend, and only go outback say once a year. Consider carefully though, because you can't install a front mounted winch to an alloy bar, and hand winching is hard work. It really comes down to how often you'll be pushing the limits and getting into trouble - which is probably not a lot, if your wife depends on the car.

    You didn't mention tires...
    - The RV comes with smaller tires: 215/80R16 (29.5")
    - All other 90's come with 265/70R16 (30.6")
    - The most common upgrade size after a 2" suspension lift is 265/75R16 (31.6")

    I noticed a change with my 3.4L when going from 30.6" to 31.6", so if you jump from 29.5" to 31.6", you'll notice more issues. Your engine is smaller, and your diff ratios are different*. The diff ratios in the RV are suited for small tires - with larger tires you'll loose even more accelleration, have even higher crawling speeds, and have less crawling power. We all experience this with larger tires, but none as much as the RV. My recommendation - have two sets of rims/tires.

    *EDIT: I haven't read any official documentation to confirm the diff ratios, so please do some research.
    glen_ep - engineered, 4" lift, 33" 255/85R16, lockers, 4.88 ratios www.pradopoint.com.au/showthread.php?17237 www.youtube.com/user/glenep www.fb.com/groups/ToyotaPrado90

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    • #3
      Re: NEW GUY Needs Advice?

      Originally posted by moprado
      Hi there,
      Just got meself a stock 2.7l 1999 prado rv. Clean as a whistle, just wanting to know what you would recommend in the 2inch lift range? Will this affect my ride on the highways? Unfortunately it'll be the miss's run-around as well, so i don't want her to be complaining either.
      Whats a good yet economical brand for a lift? Also whats the go with the so called poly air bags?
      I'm looking for a winch bar, to fit a winch (of course), 2nd battery, and some spotties. At the rear, i'll be carrying just the camping gear, prehaps a fridge, and maybe in the future a small camper trailer.

      Appreaciate your help.
      With the suspension there are really only 2 choices, EFS of OME(Old Man Emu), these are the only ones on the market where the shocks and springs are made to compliment each other, so you get a nice complient ride. However I do believe the OME is set up for the V6, not the 2.7. so you would get a slightly harsh ride out of the front until you get some weight in the front end with your bull bar and winch.
      Forget the Poly airs, they are only spring helpers, NOT A SUSPENSION SYSTEM, if you need poly airs then you have the wrong spring set up, Take mine for instance, I have EFS in my truck, and I have had a car trailer with a 40 series (Simons from 4wdtv) on it and the guys from EFS were very happy with the way the truck sat, it was nice and flat, when I drove it there was no wondering or bouncing.
      With the winch bar go either ARB or TJM, and then only in steel, forget alloy bars, and then fit a Tigers 11 winch to it, they are an extremely good winch, also note that with all winches you must run the cable out and then back in to keep all the internals lubed up and in good working order, many people dont do this and when they need the winch it wont work, so keep that in mind.
      With the spotties, if you can afford it go for the Narva 225 HID's, they are without doubt the best lights on the market, I am extremely impressed with mine, also make sure that the bull bar has enough room for the lights, I see many people buy good light only to find out that they cant fit in the bull bar, and then they have to sell them loosing money.
      With the second battery, decide what you are going to primarily use it for, because if you use it for your winch in any way you could kill it if you use a deep cycle, only use them for low energy long consumption items like a fridge, also make sure the battery matches with the battery size in the vehicle already, as you will not get full charge to your second battery if your cars starting battery is smaller than your second battery.
      Happy shopping
      97 VX Grande, with front & rear air lockers, ARB Sahara winch bar with tigers 11 winch, 2" EFS lift, 265/75/16 Achilles Desert hawk XMT, and more.


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      • #4
        Re: NEW GUY Needs Advice?

        Thanks "croozza" and "glen_ep"
        Originally posted by glen_ep
        Hi moprado,

        After my 2 inch lift (OME from ARB), I found on road driving and corning was absolutely fine. I didn't specifically test 100+km/h driving, but at 80km/h there was no obvious difference. Once the larger mud tires went on the changes were more noticable: corners are soft, the body rolls a little and steering lost some prescision. Also, (seeing you're planing on a winch), after having a steel bullbar fitted, I noticed an general truck-like slugishness to the vehicle.

        So my advice:

        Suspension - Definitely get it done. There's plenty info around on brands so do some reading, but FIRST, work out your realistic modification plans, because any added weight on the front (second battery, winch, bullbar) will make a diference to the suspension components you need to buy.

        Poly air bags - Don't have them, never used them, so can't really advise. I decided not to get because it may encourage overloading, which in combination with bag presure leakage or a bag rupture, would mean trouble I don't need.

        Winch bar - Given you have a 2.7L, and this sounds like your (wife's) daily driver, consider getting a light alloy bar and a hand winch. Hand winches are more versitile as you can pull in any direction, and it's weight that can be removed for daily driving. This suits most people as they spend 95% of driving on tarmac, don't purposely get stuck 4x4ing every weekend, and only go outback say once a year. Consider carefully though, because you can't install a front mounted winch to an alloy bar, and hand winching is hard work. It really comes down to how often you'll be pushing the limits and getting into trouble - which is probably not a lot, if your wife depends on the car.

        You didn't mention tires...
        - The RV comes with smaller tires: 215/80R16 (29.5")
        - All other 90's come with 265/70R16 (30.6")
        - The most common upgrade size after a 2" suspension lift is 265/75R16 (31.6")

        I noticed a change with my 3.4L when going from 30.6" to 31.6", so if you jump from 29.5" to 31.6", you'll notice more issues. Your engine is smaller, and your diff ratios are different*. The diff ratios in the RV are suited for small tires - with larger tires you'll loose even more accelleration, have even higher crawling speeds, and have less crawling power. We all experience this with larger tires, but none as much as the RV. My recommendation - have two sets of rims/tires.

        *EDIT: I haven't read any official documentation to confirm the diff ratios, so please do some research.
        Regarding the question of my tyre size, i got it with 265/70/r16. So yeah I'm tyring to look for a second set of tyres amd rims, prehaps the original rv rims. Second question? Would i get away with fitting any sort of rim, as in one that comes from a Hilux, or tirton?! Just want stock rims, and fit road or at's on it.

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