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    Hi all

    I had a look at a nice 120series prado today with the 1KZTE diesel/auto.

    Only thing holding me back on purchasing it is that every 5000k service has been missed so it has not had its 5000k oil and filter change. It also missed a couple of the 10k services later on in its life.

    It has 152,000 and just had the timing belt and service done.

    It drives well with no apparent engine issues. Slight crankcase pressure when you take off the oil cap.

    Questions;

    Are these engines similar to the 2L and 3L diesels that sludged up badly and went to god if the service intervals were extended past 5000k's?

    What effects would/could the missed services have done to the engine?

    Is it reversible? IE: Engine flush, Pull the sump and wash it out?

    What would a new short engine cost if this one went to god?

    I can rebuild the motor myself no probs so what would a basic rebuild cost in parts - Main and big ends, rings and full gasket set? (anything else?)

    Taking into account the above what would you do.
    Just walk away?
    Offer a lower amount as compensation for the possible damage caused?

    I also searched for an answer to this by searching 'service' which brought up 28 pages. Then filtered by 'missed' which only had a couple. Any advice on other ways to search or is that about it?

    thanks in advance

    2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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    Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

    Do you know any other details about the vehicle? Was it privately owned or ex-forestry or even mining :shock: ? Are the K's done on it long (Midland/Bass Highway) or has it just stayed in Hobart or Lonnie? My guess is that the 1KZ will cope much better than a D4D - but that's still a guess. Also, where has it been refueled / serviced? I'd stay away from anything on the west coast personally as the fuel probably sits in their tanks for weeks in some of the smaller servos.

    If it's a bargain, it's a bargain - but it's a bit hard for someone to say without a figure attached. Definitely not worth paying top dollar with the chance of a very tired engine.
    Cheers - Phil Taylor

    Prado KZJ120 2006 GX 3.0ltr Manual TJM T13 Bar, Airtec Snorkel, Sand/snow mats, cargo barrier, Cruise, Budget Campertrailer, 8x17" steelies w/ 265/70/R17 Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 ribs, Binatone GPS, Other Stuff...

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    • #3
      Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

      I know for a fact the 1KZTE in my 90 series missed most of the interval (5000km) services previous to me buying it. Reason being the bloke I bought it off (my missus father) has a farm about 200km down south and it travelled there and back at least once a week. The amount of kays it was doing would mean servicing every 3 months! I think he was pushing about 50,000km a year!

      I picked it up with 180k on the clock and the thing runs sweet as, no oil usage at all between services, no excessive smoke or noise. Its done well over 220,000 now.

      I do the interval services now because I am a mechanic by trade and just to be sure. I am confident the long runs it was doing in the early part of its life will far offset the lack of interval services. You only have to look at Taxi's and the km's they get out of their engines because they are running all day instead of stop-start.

      Getting back on track I guess you need to find out what driving the vehicle has done as Flyingbushpig suggested. If it has copped stop start city driving all its life I personally would walk away. If the owner can prove that it has been doing long runs you may be OK. Either way if you choose to purchase it I would definately use the lack of services as leverage to haggle the price down!

      Chriso
      [COLOR=blue]Current rig - 150 GXL D4D Auto TJM bullbar. Airtec Snorkel. ARB Underbonnet Comp.
      Previous rig - 02 TD GXL.[/COLOR]

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      • #4
        Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

        A rebuilt short is about $3500.00 exchange from memory.

        Steve
        2008 Diesel Prado with extra stuff added. I drive it on the road and other places too.

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        • #5
          Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

          The amount of kays it was doing would mean servicing every 3 months! I think he was pushing about 50,000km a year!
          I do between 40 and 50k kms per year and that is what I do Chriso. Sometimes way less than three months in holiday times. I also service the vehicle while away on hols if the 5k kms comes up.
          It only takes twenty minutes to drop oil and replace with a new filter.
          2008 Diesel Prado with extra stuff added. I drive it on the road and other places too.

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          • #6
            Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

            We also have skipped to 5000km services, we live 40km from town & it drives there & back at least 3 times a week - we are averaging 30,000km a year of highway speed travel......if I was in town then it wouldn't be racking up the k's so it would need servicing at each 6 month interval anyway.

            If you can find the history of the type of driving then that will help make the decision, but we have no issues with ours @ 195,000km.

            Cheers
            Richard
            2011 GXL TD Auto Prado Silver

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            • #7
              Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

              As above due to the Kays i was doing i did not do the 5k serviced between 50 and 90k however it was all hwy and i did offset this by running a top quality semi synthetic oil

              I am now back to the 5k services as i am now doing less kays and they are more city stop and start which seems to soot it up a lot more.

              Just passed 150k and so far no issues
              Dont list all ya mods, you will only be more upset when i get further

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              • #8
                Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                Also of interest when the 1kzte first came out if you leased a prado the 5k services were not included in the lease cost as Toyotas stance on them was unless the vehicle is under severe operating conditions the 5k services are reccomended but not required.

                I suppose to put it into perspective our family farm hilux with the 1kzte has 360,000 on it and i recon it would be lucky to get its oil changed every 20k (bad i know but as the kays are so low day to day you just keep forgetting
                Dont list all ya mods, you will only be more upset when i get further

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                • #9
                  Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                  For what it is worth I did the 5k services on my 90 following the book and had the 10k services done by 'others'. Just before I sold the car I had the 150k service done (which includes the timing belt) from the dealer I bought the D4D from. The service sticker indicated next service at 160k. I asked if that meant the 5k services were no longer necessary according to Toyota and the reply was that same as the D4d 5k services are for extreme conditions only, such as mine vehicles etc.
                  My 150 build - http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?27423-A-Random-approach-to-a-Bluestorm-150-GXL-D4D-automatic

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                  • #10
                    Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                    Hi, thanks for the input everyone. I dont think I will be too concerned then.

                    cheers
                    2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                      Yeah I honestly think the 5000km services were really designed as an ACE (arse covering exercise) for Toyota. I have worked on mine vehicles over the years and yes they certainly do need the interval services because they absolutely get flogged by the rock apes etc. Really in this day and age oils have the capability to go to 10,000km no problems with appropriate usage. Look at Petrol engines in late model cars - most are serviced at 15,000km now.

                      Saying that, I continue (and always will) to drop the oil every 5000 and do the oil/filters every 10,000 just for piece of mind.

                      PS Davros - you're way more committed then me mate. Last thing I would be doing on holidays mate is laying under my rig...

                      Chriso
                      [COLOR=blue]Current rig - 150 GXL D4D Auto TJM bullbar. Airtec Snorkel. ARB Underbonnet Comp.
                      Previous rig - 02 TD GXL.[/COLOR]

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                      • #12
                        Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                        PS Davros - you're way more committed then me mate. Last thing I would be doing on holidays mate is laying under my rig...
                        My two eldest kids were living in Victoria a couple of years ago when we decided to head up to Frazer for a week or so.
                        In the two weeks I had off work, I went down to pick them up, picked up the rest of the mob in Blue Mountains, drove up to Frazer, drove back to Blue Mountains, dropped two kids back to Victoria, and then drove back home to Blue Mountains. Way over the 5K KM's that I like to service at.
                        I ended up dropping the oil at Gympie, before we crossed over to the island.

                        Maybe I am over cautious, but as I have mentioned plenty of times before this, I like to keep my vehicles for a while, and traveling over 50,000kms per anum, the K's build up fairly quickly.
                        Last vehicle I sold last year had over 400,000kms on it, as was as strong as the day I bought it near new.

                        Besides, I like getting under the vehicle regularly to check things out, and dropping the oil is a good opportunity to have a beer out in the sun.
                        If you knew my slave driver wife, you'd also realise that servicing the fourby gets me out of much more mundane household tasks. :mrgreen:
                        2008 Diesel Prado with extra stuff added. I drive it on the road and other places too.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                          Originally posted by Davros
                          Besides, I like getting under the vehicle regularly to check things out, and dropping the oil is a good opportunity to have a beer out in the sun.
                          If you knew my slave driver wife, you'd also realise that servicing the fourby gets me out of much more mundane household tasks. :mrgreen:
                          Classic :!: :!: :!: :lol: :lol: :lol:
                          Black 2003, TD, GXL Prado

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                          • #14
                            Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                            Originally posted by Davros
                            PS Davros - you're way more committed then me mate. Last thing I would be doing on holidays mate is laying under my rig...
                            My two eldest kids were living in Victoria a couple of years ago when we decided to head up to Frazer for a week or so.
                            In the two weeks I had off work, I went down to pick them up, picked up the rest of the mob in Blue Mountains, drove up to Frazer, drove back to Blue Mountains, dropped two kids back to Victoria, and then drove back home to Blue Mountains. Way over the 5K KM's that I like to service at.
                            I ended up dropping the oil at Gympie, before we crossed over to the island.

                            Maybe I am over cautious, but as I have mentioned plenty of times before this, I like to keep my vehicles for a while, and traveling over 50,000kms per anum, the K's build up fairly quickly.
                            Last vehicle I sold last year had over 400,000kms on it, as was as strong as the day I bought it near new.

                            Besides, I like getting under the vehicle regularly to check things out, and dropping the oil is a good opportunity to have a beer out in the sun.
                            If you knew my slave driver wife, you'd also realise that servicing the fourby gets me out of much more mundane household tasks. :mrgreen:
                            You present a pretty good case there Davros. I guess given that I did 10+ years in the grease monkey trade I try and avoid it if I can . I do agree with you about checking the vehicle regularly as I have a young family and their safety is more important than anything else.

                            I too have a slave driver wife so any opportunity to get out and "maintain" (play with the toys) is always good.

                            Chriso.
                            [COLOR=blue]Current rig - 150 GXL D4D Auto TJM bullbar. Airtec Snorkel. ARB Underbonnet Comp.
                            Previous rig - 02 TD GXL.[/COLOR]

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                            • #15
                              Re: Missed 5k services on 1KTZE (rebuild costs?)

                              Oil quality; be it mineral, synthetic or a blend, has absolutely nothing to do with the oil change interval. It's all about soot load and keeping it suspended in the oil.
                              Once the oil becomes "saturated" and can't hold any more soot in suspension then it starts to form sludge.

                              Sludge restricts oils galleries, blocks the oil pick up, causes overheating, blocks oil rings and reduces good oil flow in general.

                              The 1kz is a high soot engine to start with, so unless this vehicle has only done light load cruising and not towing/stop start city/short runs/heavy off road etc then I'd be very weary and be doubly vigilant with a pre purchase inspection. Paying particular attention to oil pressure and how it looks under the rocker cover.

                              The only way to be sure you can safely extend your service interval is with an oil sample/testing. This costs approx $30-40 depending on who you use.

                              Mick
                              [CENTER][B][I][SIZE=1][COLOR=blue]1KZ-TE Turbo Diesel, 5 speed manual, 3.5 inch lift, 265/70/17 Mickey Thompson MTZ, D-Tronic chip, Boost controller, mandrel exhaust, dump pipe, modified intake, ARB steel bar, Magnum winch, Safari snorkel, rear drawers, half cargo barrier, dual batteries, Uniden UHF, Sat Nav, reverse camera, Magellan XL , Tjm bash plates, ARB alloy roof rack, rear telescopic work light and numerous other modifications!!!
                              Now with 3BAR MAP sensor & 18PSI Boost![/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B][/CENTER]

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