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    Although there was brief mention in the forum about this topic, I would like your opinion on whether one should have the Prado's oil changed at the first (free) service a month after owning the vehicle. The dealer says that they don't normally change the oil then - and was somewhat surprised about my question. Your views are appreciated.
    2010 Kakadu, ARB Deluxe Bar, Lightforce HID's, Koni Shocks, King Springs, Safari Snorkel, Twin Battery System, Diff Breathers, GME TX3540 Remote Head UHF, BFG' s; Fourby Fitout drawer system

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    Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

    Although totally impractical and obviously not an option, but a diesel mechanic friend of mine once told me "If you could change the oil in your diesel every day that would be the best for your engine". Clearly no one will do that, but despite the extra cost, Im a bit old school and believe that whilst it is not required by the manufacturer, it can only do good to change the oil at 1000km. I know the argument of laser cut engine blocks/already run in/finer tolerances etc that most of the metal fragments will either not be there of have collected on the metallic drain plug, but its certainly not going to do any harm...

    Cheers!
    2010 Prado GX 3.0L TD - "Paul" - TJM XGS 40mm Lift Kit, Firestone Coilrite Airbags, 5000kg Rated Front Recovery Points, Sure Power Battery Isolator and Dual Battery Setup, Airtec Snorkel, HID High Beam Headlights.
    2008 Jayco Dove Outback - "Davo"

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    • #3
      Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

      I did mine at 1000k, as the service manager said, it certainly wont hurt, how much did you pay for the car ?? for the sake of a few extra bucks I thinks its worth it.

      geoff t
      Silver GXL 150 Diesal Auto, Tow bar Toyota bull bar rest to come when I get the car, eg BFG tyres, dual batteries etc

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      • #4
        Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

        Whilst the factory manual doesn't specify it, I am still a bit "old school" about new engines - I had my engine oil and filter replaced at the 1000 km mark on the odometer, which I had to pay for, as it was not covered under the Toyota Service Advantage program. I didn't mind paying for it, because I had adopted the "drive it like you stole it" method of breaking in the engine, once the coolant temperatures had reached their normal operating range.

        Vehicle specifically is a '09 200 Series Cruiser, but if I were driving a new 150 Series D4D, I would have done exactly the same thing.

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        • #5
          Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

          Hi, i would just swap the filter for a new one.
          2009 120 V6 Auto. 265/70/17 Goodyear Silent Armours. Bilsteins and Kings Springs.

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          • #6
            Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

            My 1000 k service is a few weeks away yet, but I will definitely be changing the oil/filter.
            150 GXL D4D graphite. TJM T13 bar, TJM XGS Gold suspension, Lightforce 170's, Safari snorkel, GME UHF, BFG's, 'Clark Rubber' mudflap upgrade, Wet Seat seat covers, ABR Sidewinder dual battery/rear power setup,custom bush pinstriping...
            Tambo Camper,
            [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rambos/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/48270.png[/img][/url]

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            • #7
              Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

              Just had the 1k service - $106 for an oil and filter change. Cheap insurance I reckon...
              150 GXL D4D graphite. TJM T13 bar, TJM XGS Gold suspension, Lightforce 170's, Safari snorkel, GME UHF, BFG's, 'Clark Rubber' mudflap upgrade, Wet Seat seat covers, ABR Sidewinder dual battery/rear power setup,custom bush pinstriping...
              Tambo Camper,
              [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rambos/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/48270.png[/img][/url]

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              • #8
                Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                Originally posted by rambo
                Just had the 1k service - $106 for an oil and filter change. Cheap insurance I reckon...
                Bargain....I'm surprised that cost would hardly cover the oil and filter let alone labour......I got quoted the same price as a regular service $210...
                2010 150 Glacier White GXL D4D Auto

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                • #9
                  Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                  Just a thought on this topic that may open a can of worms

                  Have you considered that engines should not have oil changed after 1k due to running oils used at the factory.
                  Changing the oil too early may reduce the running in
                  Although engines are said to be run in at factory this is impossible on a mass produced engine.

                  If Toyota thought the engine oil eeded changing they would recommend doing so.

                  Just my thoughts only
                  TJM13 bar, TJM XGS gold 2inch lift, Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 rib, DP chip, Twin Batteries, Safari Snorkel, Diff Breathers.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                    Originally posted by Pradodiesel
                    Just a thought on this topic that may open a can of worms

                    Have you considered that engines should not have oil changed after 1k due to running oils used at the factory.
                    Changing the oil too early may reduce the running in
                    Although engines are said to be run in at factory this is impossible on a mass produced engine.

                    If Toyota thought the engine oil eeded changing they would recommend doing so.

                    Just my thoughts only
                    The car is delivered with the same oil in it that you get when it is serviced - there is no 'running in' oil. If there was, Toyota would have to tell you NOT to change the oil at the first service as you will be getting rid of the 'running in' oil. :wink:

                    Cheers
                    150 GXL D4D graphite. TJM T13 bar, TJM XGS Gold suspension, Lightforce 170's, Safari snorkel, GME UHF, BFG's, 'Clark Rubber' mudflap upgrade, Wet Seat seat covers, ABR Sidewinder dual battery/rear power setup,custom bush pinstriping...
                    Tambo Camper,
                    [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/rambos/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/48270.png[/img][/url]

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                    • #11
                      Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                      From experience I recommend changing the oil in any engine after the first 1000 odd kms. Building engines almost always means tiny amounts of silcone (dirt) and metal swarf ends up in the sump and the oil galleries. Pay the money, drop the oil and change the filter.

                      Very cheap long term insurance.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                        Originally posted by max_rocktansky
                        and metal dwarf ends up in the sump and the oil galleries. Pay the money, drop the oil and change the filter.
                        Damm those little dwarves they are every where nowadays

                        Isn't it funny how a small typo can give you a good laugh. I did have to explain to the wife what swarf was though.
                        Prado 150 Kakadu, D4D 5-Spd Auto, Silver, Full Window Tint, Hayman-Reese Towbar, Rhino-Bars, GME TX3400 radio, ARB Deluxe Combination Bar, Hella 2000 Driving Lights. PE Brake controller and Complete Campsite XT Camper Trailer

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                        • #13
                          Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                          Originally posted by rambo

                          The car is delivered with the same oil in it that you get when it is serviced - there is no 'running in' oil. If there was, Toyota would have to tell you NOT to change the oil at the first service as you will be getting rid of the 'running in' oil. :wink:

                          Cheers
                          Do you have any evidence to back this up?

                          I also believe in changing the oil early first time, but found some reports (mainly on US web forums) about high levels of molybdenum disulphide in the original Toyota factory oil. This supports the theory of a break in oil from the factory.

                          It's cheap and easy to get an oil analysis in the US whereas almost unheard of here for passenger vehicles.

                          Interested to see if anyone really knows the truth of this???
                          2010 VX D4D Auto in Graphite. And it's got some rubber floor mats....

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                          • #14
                            Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                            This got me thinking of when I was an apprentice..

                            I used to build Holden engines, drop them into the engine bay, smash my rig up the road, drop a huge full RPM burnout (country roads..) and then flog it home.. change the oil and it was 'run' in :twisted: :twisted:

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                            • #15
                              Re: Oil change (or not) at first service

                              I did an oil and filter change after contemplating it for a while. The mileage was only at 500km when it was done because a lot of pro engine builders state a lot of contamination is from the original machining and the initial ring to cylinder break in. At first I thought it is a waste of money, but after the oil change and physically seeing what came out, I accepted that it was money well spent. I will encourage all to have the oil changed at the latest on the 1000km mark!

                              Cheers
                              2010 White LC Prado 150 VX D4D (RSA spec)
                              "Die Wa"

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