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    Hi everyone,
    I was wondering if someone out there could help us out with some info?
    I have a set of IPF 900XS lights on my 08 GXL Turbo Diesel, they work a treat but have been told that a HID kit would greatly improve my current lighting setup, my questions are as follows:
    Firstly, what is HID and how does it work?
    Secondly, who makes a high quality HID kit to suit the IPF lights that will last a while; do IPF make a HID kit for their lights? And,
    Thirdly, where would one have a HID kit installed, would your local ARB shop be able to do it?

    Thanks in advanced

    Cheers

    Buzz

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    Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

    Hi Buzz,

    1. HID stands for High Intensity Discharge. It generates an extremely white light for little power consumption.

    What is high intensity discharge lighting (hid) and how does it work?
    Do a search on Google for more info on how that work.


    2. I do not believe that IPF have an upgrade kit but there are plenty on ebay or 4wd shops that are suitable. IPF/ARB do have an outright HID 900XS.


    3. If you purchased an upgrade kit from ebay or a 4wd shop then the options are do it yourself, a 4wd shop, an auto electrian or pursude a mate to do it for you.

    There is more info in other threads about upgrading to HID. I believe babs has upgraded tow of his from halogen to HID and is not really impressed with the output in comparison to a genuine IPF HID whihc he also has on his Prado.
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    • #3
      Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

      These guys http://www.newpro-tech.com.au/ do a 55W HID conversion kit with ballasts that are small enough to mount inside the IPF900XS - Makes for a neat installation and less obvious to others that they are HID.

      Leachy
      EX-Prado Owner

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      • #4
        Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

        When selecting what HID kit to get, you need to look at three things:

        1. Colour temperature and wattage - Popular ranges are: 4300K / 5000K & 6000K and 35w / 55w. Reference the colour temperature, the lower the number i.e. 43000k, the more yellow the light will appear. 6000K and above the light starts to look blue and at the same time decrease the distance your lights project down the road. I have the 5000k globes and 55w ballasts and they work a treat. Too good sometimes because of the glare off road signs. But driving from Melbourne to Darwin I could see 500 meters in front very clearly. I am going to install a third light, that is 1 spot and 2 spread. Spread will give me light coverage left and right sides of the road for animals etc and the spot for distance down the road.

        2. Do you want to mount the ballast inside or out of the spot light? There are pros and cons for both. I have mine inside the spot light because it makes the install neater and not exposing the kit to the elements. But if someone decides they want your spot lights more than you then you lose the lot. I figure that’s what insurance is for.

        3. And last of all, the quality if ballast you decide to get. It boils down to how long the kit will last and the warm-up / start-up times before the globes are at full intensity. Time varies between 1 and 5 seconds normally.

        I just finished doing a search on the net and a kit will cost between $200 and $300. Mine cost $250. Warranty should be at least 12 months.

        For example http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HID-XENON-KIT...item19bc502ee5

        Refer to this link for photos of my install. Scroll down to the bottom http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic....&sd=a&start=40
        Winston.

        White 2009 120 Series D4D GXL manual.

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        • #5
          Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

          Originally posted by winniliss
          When selecting what HID kit to get, you need to look at three things:

          1. Colour temperature and wattage - Popular ranges are: 4300K / 5000K & 6000K and 35w / 55w. Reference the colour temperature, the lower the number i.e. 43000k, the more yellow the light will appear. 6000K and above the light starts to look blue and at the same time decrease the distance your lights project down the road. I have the 5000k globes and 55w ballasts and they work a treat. Too good sometimes because of the glare off road signs. But driving from Melbourne to Darwin I could see 500 meters in front very clearly. I am going to install a third light, that is 1 spot and 2 spread. Spread will give me light coverage left and right sides of the road for animals etc and the spot for distance down the road.

          2. Do you want to mount the ballast inside or out of the spot light? There are pros and cons for both. I have mine inside the spot light because it makes the install neater and not exposing the kit to the elements. But if someone decides they want your spot lights more than you then you lose the lot. I figure that’s what insurance is for.

          3. And last of all, the quality if ballast you decide to get. It boils down to how long the kit will last and the warm-up / start-up times before the globes are at full intensity. Time varies between 1 and 5 seconds normally.

          I just finished doing a search on the net and a kit will cost between $200 and $300. Mine cost $250. Warranty should be at least 12 months.

          For example http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HID-XENON-KIT...item19bc502ee5

          Refer to this link for photos of my install. Scroll down to the bottom http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic....&sd=a&start=40
          Thanks for the info guys and thanks for detailing it down for us winniliss. I don't know much about the whole HID system and am keen to get involved.
          I see that you’re based up in Darwin winniliss, I'm based down here in Katherine so I make the long dark trip up to Darwin and back on a regular basis. The IPF lights work a treat but due to there not being any other form of light pollution in between Katherine and Darwin....when it gets dark on the Stuart highway it gets really dark, hence my inquisition into the HID kits.
          To me cost should not be an issue when it comes to buying a quality product, I would rather spend the $$$ and have a great system as opposed to choosing a cheaper system only to be disappointed in the near future with problems which could have been avoided from the word go.
          I agree with you with your insurance quote, that's what it's meant for, although getting stuff stolen isn't the most enjoyable feeling. With regards to internally and or externally situated ballasts, is one better than the other or is it more for convenience....is there a certain distance which the ballast must positioned away from the light?
          I've also read that some people have installed, and correct me if I'm wrong, a hi/lo HID system in their standard headlights? Is this usual practice or do people mainly install HID into their spotlights only? I guess if I'm going to get a HID setup installed in my spotlights and there's a possibility that a HID setup could be installed into my standard lights, I may as well get the lot done at once? What are you thoughts on that???

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          • #6
            Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

            is there a certain distance which the ballast must positioned away from the light?
            Not that I know of but you have to use high voltage extension leads which adds to the cost and you have extra wires running everywhere.

            I've also read that some people have installed, and correct me if I'm wrong, a hi/lo HID system in their standard headlights?
            You cannot have HID low beam for the 120 series Prado unless you have an engineer’s certificate as they were not an option from factory and you are not complying with Australian design rules (ADR) plus it won't get certified as the light reflector is too large.

            So make sure if you go down that line that the "Hi/Lo HID" bulb is not HID for the low beam because it's too bright for oncoming drivers and you may get a nice yellow sticker on your windscreen.

            PM when you are coming up to Darwin next and I can show you my setup.
            Winston.

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            • #7
              Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

              Originally posted by winniliss
              is there a certain distance which the ballast must positioned away from the light?
              Not that I know of but you have to use high voltage extension leads which adds to the cost and you have extra wires running everywhere..
              Oh ok...in that case I think I may opt for the internal setup. I checked out Ebay and a company called Newpro-tech makes a HID kit for the IPF 900XS lights which appear to be designed to fit inside the lights housing and conveniently utilises the existing wiring.....less wiring with the same result...great idea.

              Originally posted by winniliss
              I've also read that some people have installed, and correct me if I'm wrong, a hi/lo HID system in their standard headlights?
              You cannot have HID low beam for the 120 series Prado unless you have an engineer’s certificate as they were not an option from factory and you are not complying with Australian design rules (ADR) plus it won't get certified as the light reflector is too large.

              So make sure if you go down that line that the "Hi/Lo HID" bulb is not HID for the low beam because it's too bright for oncoming drivers and you may get a nice yellow sticker on your windscreen..
              This may come across as pretty naive and please correct me where possible, but when looking for a Hi/Lo HID setup for your standard lights, only requiring HID for your high beams, what do you ask and or look for? HID setup for high beam only? Or is there a specific name and or phrase you use?

              Originally posted by winniliss
              PM when you are coming up to Darwin next and I can show you my setup.
              Will do mate, I'm keen to check your setup, do you have any pics online?

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              • #8
                Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                refer to the post above with this date / time "winniliss on Sat May 22, 2010 6:06 pm" there is a link on it with my pics.

                To convert your headlights, just make sure the globe is HID for high beam only, which I don't think they make.
                Winston.

                White 2009 120 Series D4D GXL manual.

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                • #9
                  Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                  For those that have converted your IPF 900XS spotties to HID with an aftermarket kit, any chance you can list which kit you used and any feedback you wish to provide?
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                  • #10
                    Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                    Originally posted by Madkore
                    For those that have converted your IPF 900XS spotties to HID with an aftermarket kit, any chance you can list which kit you used and any feedback you wish to provide?

                    I have just put the IPF's on with the HID upgrade. The standard light is very good but the hid is even better but with a totally different light. I used the predator internal kit and so far so good but have only had them for a week.
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                    • #11
                      Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                      I just fitted a 55 watt HID kit to my hi/low main lights. The main lights used a H4 bulb so it is just the 1 bulb for both hi beam and low beam. The lights now are amazing. Don't think I would even need spotlights now. I went for a 5000k colour which is pure white and 55 watt kitt with Digital Balast

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                      • #12
                        Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                        G'Day all,

                        I have been considering upgrading the IPF 900XS' lights to HID for quite a while but now a little more seriously.

                        Trying to recall what I have read on different forums.

                        I can recall Mav saying that the globes should be have a ceramic base opposed to plastic. I have contacted a few suppliers all whom have stated the globes are plastic based. Correct me if I am wrong here.

                        A quick search on ebay brings up a couple of worthy candidates for about $200 plus postage. Both kits internal ballast, 55w, plug and play kits
                        new-tech http://cgi.ebay.com.au/55W-HID-XENON...item19bf128431 (This is the same place where you can get the aftermarket switchs http://www.newpro-tech.com.au/gallery3.htm)
                        predator http://cgi.ebay.com.au/IPF-800-900-S...item335f32d9f3

                        I bit more looking brings up this fella. 70w kit for $165 + $15.
                        http://www.hid-lightsdownunder.com/service2.html
                        Same bloke selling converted IPF's http://cgi.ebay.com.au/IPF-900XS-dri...item4cf16e32bd

                        I quick search found this bloke at a patrol forum (shock) but it was quite a good read
                        http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48851
                        They all talk him up a fair bit. $160 for 55w, $220 for 70w but lots of other lights as well (check out the torch on page 4 of this thread and page 9 for other lights)

                        Anyone have any opinions of the above worth sharing.

                        I also seem to recall TP saying that 5000k is too white and it hides stones on dirt roads. 4300k is more suited to driving off the highway. What has everyone got? Would they change?
                        I see Winnillis has the 5000k.

                        Thanks to all

                        Bev
                        Bevan
                        Former - 04 TD GXL, Now 2010 LC200 TD
                        Tassie

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                        • #13
                          Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                          Bevan,

                          I've got the Newpro Tech 55W conversion in my IPF 9000XS and I'm very happy with them. Mine are 4300K, I find this a good colour and would not go any hotter.

                          Leachy
                          EX-Prado Owner

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                          • #14
                            Re: IPF 900XS and HID?

                            Originally posted by bevwone
                            I also seem to recall TP saying that 5000k is too white and it hides stones on dirt roads. 4300k is more suited to driving off the highway. What has everyone got? Would they change?
                            I see Winnillis has the 5000k.
                            As stated before I have 5000K globes and they are fantastic on sealed roads, as for dirt roads I haven't noticed it to be worse. Maybe because you have your normal headlights as well that highlights the pot holes. But I don't see it as a problem.

                            The only things that I don't like about HID is the reflection off road signs because the light is very bright. But in saying that, overall I am glad I did the conversion. So much in fact is that shortly I will invest in another spot light so I will have three on the front. One spread and two spot beams.
                            Winston.

                            White 2009 120 Series D4D GXL manual.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by leachy_9 View Post
                              These guys http://www.newpro-tech.com.au/ do a 55W HID conversion kit with ballasts that are small enough to mount inside the IPF900XS - Makes for a neat installation and less obvious to others that they are HID.

                              Leachy
                              Seeing as I didn't snag the lightforce HID's in the GTG comp I decided to upgrade the IPF's, ordered this kit today.

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