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    I had a problem with my 120 in that it would blow bubbles and gurgle when attempting to fill the tank with diesel. I found the last 50 litres was very difficult to fill. After a number of complaints to the local dealer, I had to resort to giving them a copy of a number of posts before they sent a mechanic with me to witness the problem. They then found there was a flap inside the main tank which was siezed closed. They managed to free it and it did not play up again.

    Then I got the Prado 150 and you guessed it, it is doing the same thing. I dropped into a number of dealers but they could not find a problem. Then went to a third dealer (near NSW/Vic boarder) told them that it was the flap and they took the filler hose from the main tank and found the flap was siezed closed. Attempted to free the flap but it would not budge.

    A new tank has been ordered and will be fitted next week.

    As usual this happened when we were on a trip which made it very frustrating as I needed the 150 litres as we werer going off road. It was taking me 45 minutes to fill the tank. The filler nozel would stop pumping, wait for the gurgle, pour in another half a litre wait for another gurgle.... The wife was getting cranky with me so I let her fill it. She now understands.

    Nifty.

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    Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

    seems like you just have had bad luck with that one...well I hope it is all fixed now. I will keep this in mind should it happen to me or one of our friends Prados.
    Manata 3" Exhaust, Blisten shocks, King Springs 50 mm lift, Poly Air Bags, Roof Rack, Iron Man Bull Bar, HID 50W LightForce XGT spotties, Daul Batteries, GME TX3440 & AE4705 ant, Upgraded window washer, Bonnet Scoop, Tunit chip, bonnet protector, headlight protector, Cooper STT's, ScangaugeII, Dash Mat, Endless Air, Stebel Nautilus, Diff Breathers, Water Sedimentor. ([b]Camprite TL8s [/b] Arrived ALIVE~!)

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    • #3
      Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

      My Prado seems to fill ok up until the last 5 litres or so...maybe I could put more in not sure yet and it takes ages like 10 mins. I get the diesel bubble up and wait for the gurgle to do down. I fill my vehicles right up so you can see the fuel in the filler house.

      Anyone else have problems filling it right up to the top?

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      • #4
        Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

        I have had similar problems as nifty07 with my 120. This problem started about 12 months ago.The tank used to fill to full with out a problem,now if you try to fill it if it is almost empty you can't get the last 40lts in, but if it is around half full it will fill to the max with no hassels.I wonder if it could be the flap causing this problem
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        Its now gone sad to say but enjoying the replacement LC200 with a BIG list of bits to add.Lifted pre rego

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        • #5
          Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

          I have no problems since I started to not fill it so fast...When filling with deisel fast, it creates a head (foam) that has to disappate some for the rest to go in. Crawl under and look up at the filler Y and make sure the hose is not deformed in any way. Just a thought. I use the extra time to check oil and wash windows so really no time lost?
          Manata 3" Exhaust, Blisten shocks, King Springs 50 mm lift, Poly Air Bags, Roof Rack, Iron Man Bull Bar, HID 50W LightForce XGT spotties, Daul Batteries, GME TX3440 & AE4705 ant, Upgraded window washer, Bonnet Scoop, Tunit chip, bonnet protector, headlight protector, Cooper STT's, ScangaugeII, Dash Mat, Endless Air, Stebel Nautilus, Diff Breathers, Water Sedimentor. ([b]Camprite TL8s [/b] Arrived ALIVE~!)

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          • #6
            Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

            My Prado seems to fill ok up until the last 5 litres or so...maybe I could put more in not sure yet and it takes ages like 10 mins. I get the diesel bubble up and wait for the gurgle to do down. I fill my vehicles right up so you can see the fuel in the filler house.

            Anyone else have problems filling it right up to the top?
            Sounds normal for diesel.... try it with a truck pump :!: even more foam :!:

            I've found running a premium diesel is a lot better due to them adding anti-foaming additives to it. (I personaly use BP with good results)


            Mick
            [CENTER][B][I][SIZE=1][COLOR=blue]1KZ-TE Turbo Diesel, 5 speed manual, 3.5 inch lift, 265/70/17 Mickey Thompson MTZ, D-Tronic chip, Boost controller, mandrel exhaust, dump pipe, modified intake, ARB steel bar, Magnum winch, Safari snorkel, rear drawers, half cargo barrier, dual batteries, Uniden UHF, Sat Nav, reverse camera, Magellan XL , Tjm bash plates, ARB alloy roof rack, rear telescopic work light and numerous other modifications!!!
            Now with 3BAR MAP sensor & 18PSI Boost![/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B][/CENTER]

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            • #7
              Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

              Originally posted by MickL
              My Prado seems to fill ok up until the last 5 litres or so...maybe I could put more in not sure yet and it takes ages like 10 mins. I get the diesel bubble up and wait for the gurgle to do down. I fill my vehicles right up so you can see the fuel in the filler house.

              Anyone else have problems filling it right up to the top?
              Sounds normal for diesel.... try it with a truck pump :!: even more foam :!:

              I've found running a premium diesel is a lot better due to them adding anti-foaming additives to it. (I personaly use BP with good results)


              Mick
              A 'premium diesel', is there such a thing? The servos I've seen either have diesel or hi flow diesel. BP gave me the longest delay with foaming, more than Caltex. Seems to be the last 5 - 10 liters. I'm curious about Shell but haven't been there yet.

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                Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                A 'premium diesel', is there such a thing? The servos I've seen either have diesel or hi flow diesel. BP gave me the longest delay with foaming, more than Caltex. Seems to be the last 5 - 10 liters. I'm curious about Shell but haven't been there yet.
                BP have "BP Ultimate", Caltex have "Vortex" ,no idea what Shell's brew is called. They may not be available in the NT.

                I use BP Ultimate and can easily fiil to the neck on with liquid diesel on the second or third click.

                Hi flow diesel is the pump not the fuel.... it's just a hi volume bowser for filling faster (trucks) unfortunately the nature of this beast is even more foaming.

                Mick
                [CENTER][B][I][SIZE=1][COLOR=blue]1KZ-TE Turbo Diesel, 5 speed manual, 3.5 inch lift, 265/70/17 Mickey Thompson MTZ, D-Tronic chip, Boost controller, mandrel exhaust, dump pipe, modified intake, ARB steel bar, Magnum winch, Safari snorkel, rear drawers, half cargo barrier, dual batteries, Uniden UHF, Sat Nav, reverse camera, Magellan XL , Tjm bash plates, ARB alloy roof rack, rear telescopic work light and numerous other modifications!!!
                Now with 3BAR MAP sensor & 18PSI Boost![/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][/B][/CENTER]

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                • #9
                  Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                  Seems we are talking about two different fuels. BP Ultimate is for unleaded vehicles (and is crap from what I've tried in other vehicles). I'm talking about diesel, it does foam, always has always will and is completely different foaming wise from unleaded.....On second thoughts, lets google bp ultimate diesel. Well strike me down with a bolt of lightening, there is such a thing as bp ultimate diesel. Yeah, fat chance we'll see it up here any time soon, and so far as to the foaming, well I can't comment until I've tried it our someone else out there goes from down there to up here and mentions it.

                  Ahh technology, is it really that good or just another way for people to screw us over for nothing better than a good marketing ploy?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                    All Diesel foams...do not be in such a hurry and it will fill all the way if you just take your time. The slower you fill the less foam created simple take a few minutes and polish something under the hood, check the oil, bang out the air cleaner, wash the windows...take your time and breathe deep and mind the fumes :shock:
                    Manata 3" Exhaust, Blisten shocks, King Springs 50 mm lift, Poly Air Bags, Roof Rack, Iron Man Bull Bar, HID 50W LightForce XGT spotties, Daul Batteries, GME TX3440 & AE4705 ant, Upgraded window washer, Bonnet Scoop, Tunit chip, bonnet protector, headlight protector, Cooper STT's, ScangaugeII, Dash Mat, Endless Air, Stebel Nautilus, Diff Breathers, Water Sedimentor. ([b]Camprite TL8s [/b] Arrived ALIVE~!)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                      Originally posted by MickL
                      A 'premium diesel', is there such a thing? The servos I've seen either have diesel or hi flow diesel. BP gave me the longest delay with foaming, more than Caltex. Seems to be the last 5 - 10 liters. I'm curious about Shell but haven't been there yet.
                      BP have "BP Ultimate", Caltex have "Vortex" ,no idea what Shell's brew is called. They may not be available in the NT.

                      I use BP Ultimate and can easily fiil to the neck on with liquid diesel on the second or third click.

                      Hi flow diesel is the pump not the fuel.... it's just a hi volume bowser for filling faster (trucks) unfortunately the nature of this beast is even more foaming.

                      Mick
                      Caltex/Woolworths in Esperance have VORTEX PREMIUM diesel. I haven't seen that before and we don't get it in Kalgoorlie. There didn't appear to be a normal diesel pump though in Esperance.
                      Dave
                      Views expressed are mine alone and are not intended to compromise the integrity of my employer nor offend those who may read such views.
                      Bugger Bali, get out and see Australia before we sell it all to China.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                        Simple solution... Buy a 90 Series!

                        I fill mine with a BP High Flow pump every time (because I loathe the normal slow pumps) and have no problem filling all the way to the top. My 90 has two necks aswell (1 for each tank) not sure if 120/150 has same set up? I dont seem to have any problem with foaming. I do live about 10km from the BP refinery so maybe we just get the best juice.

                        Chriso
                        [COLOR=blue]Current rig - 150 GXL D4D Auto TJM bullbar. Airtec Snorkel. ARB Underbonnet Comp.
                        Previous rig - 02 TD GXL.[/COLOR]

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                        • #13
                          Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                          The Prado 150 has had the Aux tank replaced and you guessed it, after two fills the problem is back. Got under the car and removed the filler pipe to the Aux tank, shoved a short section of fuel line to force the flap open and it will now fill to the last five litres where it displays the same problem. At least I can get some fuel into the tank. Prior to this it was the last 30 or more litres which gave difficulty in filling.

                          I found that the fast flow can get more fuel into the tank before it starts gurgling and bubbling out the fuel spout. THis indicates to me it is something to do with the flap spring tension.

                          Took it back to Toyota today and they told me they can do nothing to fix it. They indicated they would send in a tech report to Toyota.

                          No real impressed, paid $75,000 for a Prado, which has 150 litre tank (not 180 as did the 120 model) and then you cannot fill it. What rubbish....

                          Does anyone else have similar issues or know of a fix?

                          Nifty.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                            Originally posted by Nifty07
                            The Prado 150 has had the Aux tank replaced and you guessed it, after two fills the problem is back. Got under the car and removed the filler pipe to the Aux tank, shoved a short section of fuel line to force the flap open and it will now fill to the last five litres where it displays the same problem. At least I can get some fuel into the tank. Prior to this it was the last 30 or more litres which gave difficulty in filling.

                            I found that the fast flow can get more fuel into the tank before it starts gurgling and bubbling out the fuel spout. THis indicates to me it is something to do with the flap spring tension.

                            Does anyone else have similar issues or know of a fix?

                            Nifty.
                            Hi Nifty,

                            When are you refuling? I had (once) a similar problem to the one you descibe when trying to do a refuel from almost empty after a long drive (+600km without turning off). I could only get about 90 litres in no matter how hard I tried. The following morning the guage showed just over 3/4 and I easily got a further 40lt in.

                            Steve..
                            [b]Steve..[/b]
                            White 150, GXL D4D Auto
                            Bridgestone D694's, Toyota Tow Bar, 3M Tint, MaxTrax, ARB Bull Bar, GME 3340, Lightforce 170's, OME Lift, Dual Batteries

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                            • #15
                              Re: Diesel - refuelling problem

                              No problem with mine thus far (approx 4000km) but I confess to never letting it fall much below 1/2 tank. It gurgles at the end and then stops on full. I have used Caltex exclusively thus far.
                              2010 150 Glacier White GXL D4D Auto

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