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Steyr22
02-02-2008, 10:03 PM
Firstly, this is a cross post with an older set of posts, which I think is closed. My Question:

I have recently installed a) 2 IPF XS900 "Spot lights" to my car with TOTALLY DISAPPOINTING results (even a set of Narvas would have been a 500% improvement!), b) 2 IPF "spread beams" which greatly improved my belief in IPF lights, and c) mounted 1 "spread beam" and 1 "spot light" (which confirmed my DISAPPOINTMENT in IPF Spotlights.

The problem may be a "batch" problem but the "spot lights" had a VERY DISAPPOINTING pattern. The pattern had a small "hot spot" in the centre with a fairly dim halo around it and a "finger" of shadow up the centre of the road leading to the "hot spot".

I initially changed these lenses for the "spread beam" lenses which were EXCELLENT! though a little disappointing for their "reach" (naturally).

So I bought a single "spot light" lens and installed it (thinking that it may have been misaligned by me originally), but with the same DISAPPOINTING pattern resulting in the DIMINISHMENT of the total light output of the 2 "spread beams" (exit 130W of "spread beam" overlaying the single "spread beam") and no noticeable improvement in the "reach" of the lights.

I am now in discussion with ARB as to where I go from here. Note: I had excellent response from ARB on my first contact.

I expect that I will go back to my Hella's or my Bosch's with which I have had satisfactory performance in the past. I may even try Cibie Super Oscars which have had an excellent reputation for many years.

As I have said, the IPF "spread beams" leave nothing to be desired except "reach" (which is to be expected). But my experience of the "spot lights" is TOTALLY DISAPPOINTING!

Can anyone else comment on their experience of the "spot lights"?

samo
02-02-2008, 10:19 PM
i had a set of cibie super oscers awhile ago, while they werent hid, they were 100w halogen spots and they would burn koalas eyes out at 300m, great light, great distance, just old technology good for bang for bucks.

clifton
03-02-2008, 08:12 AM
If you are not happy give them the flick, my HID IPF 900's (spot and spread) are more than adequate for night driving in the sticks in NQ. But I appreciate that we all differ with our requirements for spotlight performance.

I have also used Cibie Super Oscars on previous vehicles and concur they produce a great light, the lightforce series are also another option but the mounting brackets ? and the forward protrusion past the bull bar no thanks :) :) :)

03-02-2008, 09:19 AM
The same experience for me too, totally disappointed. I find the spread to be average and the spot to be totally useless with the same hotspot and shadowing as you describe. The spots might add only about an extra 10% to the range of the std high beams (and yes, they're correctly aligned). They're certainly of good build quality and they look nice but that's about it. A huge waste of $400 in my opinion.

I must admit, I haven't approached ARB about them as yet and I've had them for about 4 months now, just been too busy. What did they say when you spoke to them?

Steyr22
03-02-2008, 11:30 AM
Hi wannawodka

ARB were very helpful. They replaced the "spot light" lenses with the "spread beam" lenses (including putting them in) at no charge.

It was through this process that I was given information that made me think that I had misaligned them, hence my purchase and trial with another "spot light" lens (purchased by me).

They thought it might have been a problem with a batch of lights as others (they say) are extremely happy with them.

Contact them for 2 reasons 1) Get yourself the "spread beams" (excellent lights) and 2) to let them know that there is more than one customer that is unhappy with their product. Maybe they'll investigate and find a solution.

Piggy
03-02-2008, 11:33 AM
If you want distance go to Hella HID 4000 compacts, these lights have been tested to have the longest reach of nearly all brands on the market.

We have 4 installed on the rally car and they are great.

I run IPF 800's and have had the same set for 12 + years now, I converted them to HID a year or so ago and they are great. I personally thought the Square IPF had a bettter reach than the round.

As a note, this didnt really need another thread created as the post you describe is still well and truly in use and not closed. http://www.pradopoint.com/viewtopic.php?t=871&start=15

CJ
03-02-2008, 05:50 PM
G'day Steyr22
I just installed my IPF 900's yesterday and have found the same problem. The little finger shadow down the road. I havent had the chance to test them properly as there's not many dark long roads in the northern suburbs of brisy. It will be interesting to see when I install the HID conversion to the car lights, if I'll be able to even see the spotties.

05-03-2008, 05:58 PM
I'm up in Townsville for a couple of weeks and called into the ARB outlet to pick up a few bits and pieces. I mentioned the problem I was having with the 900XS pencil beams to the guys there and one of them was aware of 3 other instances of customers having the same problem.

He said the fix in each case was remove the lense and turn it upside down. Apparently there is a minor tell tale in the lense moulding which creates this effect and inverting the lense fixes the shadowing. You also have to dremel out a small notch in the outer bezel to refit the light properly. Sounds odd to me but he seemed pretty sure.

plucker
05-03-2008, 09:00 PM
I might have to try that.
Thanks for the tip off wannawodka

shodown
04-01-2014, 12:37 AM
I run IPF 800's and have had the same set for 12 + years now, I converted them to HID a year or so ago and they are great. I personally thought the Square IPF had a bettter reach than the round.


Hi All,

I also have a set of the original IPF 800 lights (not the XS, the older H3 globe) I bought new back in 2001. They only served me about 2 years before being packed away to sit in cupboards for the last decade or so, waiting for a new fourby.

It seems like a waste not to use them, so I am looking at converting to HID. Can people (Piggy especially) elaborate on what kits you went with?


Internal vs external ballast? Internal seems easiest here and there are 2x kits I am looking at on ebay
35w vs 55w (or higher)? From everything I have read 55w seems the most logical, exceeding that will most likely result in me blinding myself on signage
4300K vs 6000K? It looks like 4300K is the most practical - I would prefer to match the low / high beams as close as possible
What lenses? Spot versus spread? I have 2x spot at the moment. ARB have quoted $70ea for replacement spread lenses



Bearing in mind, I might be looking at mounting an LED bar in the future.... most likely a 20-30" single row across the top of the bar on the CB mounts

Cheers,
Kevin

eBay Kit1:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HID-KIT-FOR-IPF-800-SPOT-LIGHTS-12V-HID-55W-H3-IPF-CONVERSION-KIT-/321288999036?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ace51107c&_uhb=1

eBay Kit2:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/55W-H3-4300K-HID-KIT-FOR-IPF-800-SPOT-DRIVING-LIGHTS-/120760044706?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1ddc0ca2&_uhb=1

craigm
04-01-2014, 12:59 AM
Here's a link to what I did with my IPF 900's Kevin. http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?10672-HID-upgrades-for-IPF-lights&p=287005&viewfull=1#post287005

I went the 55W 5000k option. I assume the internal ballasts will also fit inside the 800's? As for Spread vs Spot, if you're going to get a LED bar then stick with the 2 spots so they will cover your distance and the LED for the spread. I have tried the 2 x spot and they're a nuisance when driving through windy roads, so I'm running 1 spot 1 spread. Once I get my LED bar I will go back to 2 x spot.

shodown
05-01-2014, 01:54 PM
Here's a link to what I did with my IPF 900's Kevin. http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?10672-HID-upgrades-for-IPF-lights&p=287005&viewfull=1#post287005

I went the 55W 5000k option. I assume the internal ballasts will also fit inside the 800's? As for Spread vs Spot, if you're going to get a LED bar then stick with the 2 spots so they will cover your distance and the LED for the spread. I have tried the 2 x spot and they're a nuisance when driving through windy roads, so I'm running 1 spot 1 spread. Once I get my LED bar I will go back to 2 x spot.


Awesome - thanks Craig.

The only options for me are 4300 or 6000. Given the colour of yours, I think 6000 would be too blue, I should be happy with the 4300.

Yep, the internal ballasts will fit. The kit is designed specifically for the old school H3 IPF 800.

I'll see how I go with the conversion first - $70 for a spread lens isn't too bad.... it would just suck shelling out for the kit + 2x spread lenses and still be unhappy with the outcome....

Kevin

rob_macca67
05-01-2014, 02:30 PM
WOW, wish I had came across this post years ago b4 buying my IPF HIDs..... for the $$ spent they are crap in the light they produce.... I've also got some of the Chinese HIDs that were being sold on here and they blitz the IPFs in lighting no worries.... I would never go IPF again..... over priced / poor lighting.....

vxcruiser08
05-01-2014, 03:32 PM
For what it's worth.... I reckon my halogen IPF900XS's are way better than hid 240 blitz's. Haven't tried any other models.

simcott
15-01-2014, 03:08 PM
I have been watching advertisements for LED driving lights for some time. It seems to me that the local suppliers are ripping us of for what they offer.
I have been checking Chinese LED suppliers for a while, (all my domestic lighting is LED), and you can buy 100Watt light bars with Cree 10Watt LED's in them. The price at factory is $89.00 US. Try Http://www.huachuans.com
I am about to get one and see how it goes.
Cheers

MidLifeCrisis
15-01-2014, 04:57 PM
Happy with my ipf900 extremes with 100W HID upgrades from ProTech. the output allows me to see whats happening through solid brick walls a few km's away :). Ok, ok, I exaggerated, but they kick ar$e!

I have 2 x spots and 1 spread in between them. They will soon be complimented by a 30 inch LED bar to ensure the boogy man cannot get me at all.

stevep84
15-01-2014, 06:00 PM
I used to have a set of XS900's and the did the job well, were heaps better than the poxy rectangular Narvas that came with the car. They were never going to compete with a set of HID's or LED's but for halogen lights they were pretty good. I had one spot and one spread.
I was very very upset when I discovered they had been stolen.