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  • Spot light install Problems????? Help!

    Okay,
    Bought the lightforce RMDL 170 and loom.
    Found the high beam switching wire (Negative)
    Set up loom as per diagram 2 of the light force instructions.
    As I've never had spotty's before I don't know if they are operating correctly.

    With all lights off the spotty's can be turned on/off via the toggle on the dash.
    (is this normal)

    When lights are on plus the toggle, spotties will turn on and off via high beam(stork switch) as soon as the lights are turned off (stork switch)
    spotties come on until toggle is turned off.

    Doing my head in here guys,I've checked the wiring is done as per the instructions.Can anyone confirm operation is correct and legal??? :? :?

    All help appreciated.
    Gun metal grey 06 GXL,3L Turbo Diesel 5 spd
    Sovereign Bull Bar,AirTech snorkel,Cooper Discover ATR's, Dual batteries,17"LCD & DVD,Tinted windows,60L Engel,Sand Grabber mats,Black OX compressor,MAX TRAX,Fitted sheep skins.Aero cargo liner.170 lightforce spottiesBlack widdow storage,
    Reversing camera.
    2" lift booked in9/11/07.

  • #2
    Don't think thats right mine only turn on when the lights are on high beam.
    You would run a risk of flattening the battery if toggle hit by mistake and car was off.
    I think and I may be corrected but the lights should only be able to be turned on when high beam is activated?

    Somebody may shoot me down in flames

    Waits......
    [color=red]GXL D4D AUTO Option pack more to follow & Camprite TL8s[/color] [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/Chuck1/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/46023.png[/img][/url]

    Diabolus fecit, ut id facerem!

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    • #3
      Re: Spot light install????? 06 Prado

      Originally posted by sublib25
      With all lights off the spotty's can be turned on/off via the toggle on the dash.
      (is this normal)
      No, by law they need to turn off when you dip your lights without you also having to turn the driving light switch off.

      When lights are on plus the toggle, spotties will turn on and off via high beam(stork switch) as soon as the lights are turned off (stork switch)
      spotties come on until toggle is turned off.
      No, somethings not right...

      Doing my head in here guys,I've checked the wiring is done as per the instructions.Can anyone confirm operation is correct and legal??? :? :?
      No, not legal.

      Driving lights should only come on when the high beam is selected depending on your driving lights switch. If this switch is on then the driving lights are on, if its off, they are off. As soon as you switch back to low beam, the Drivings lights should also switch off irrespective of the Driving light switch.

      I can talk you thru the wiring if needed....

      Cheers
      Richard
      Richard
      2011 GXL TD Auto Prado Silver

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Chuck
        Somebody may shoot me down in flames

        Waits......
        I shot, but missed, only cause your right Chuck!

        Cheers, Richard
        Richard
        2011 GXL TD Auto Prado Silver

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        • #5
          Wooo Hoooo One in a row.
          [color=red]GXL D4D AUTO Option pack more to follow & Camprite TL8s[/color] [url=http://www.fuelly.com/driver/Chuck1/prado][img]http://www.fuelly.com/smallsig-metric/46023.png[/img][/url]

          Diabolus fecit, ut id facerem!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chuck
            Wooo Hoooo One in a row.
            Indeed, write down the time & date ...........oh & the year it really doesn't happen that often does it :?:
            Richard
            2011 GXL TD Auto Prado Silver

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            • #7
              Anyway back on topic...




              Ignoring the colour codes here as they may not be right in all cases...

              On the left is a diagram for switching your spotties on via a relay. Note that in this case the high beam is switched using the positive side - we will make adjustments for negative switching in a minute. On the right is the pins on a normal driving light relay. Thje coil is between pins 86 & 85 & the high current contacts that actually carry the spotties power are between pins 30 & 87.

              So to switch to negative switching, i.e. +12v is always supplied to the highbeam lamp, but the other side of the highbeam lamp is switched to ground to complete the circuit & turn the highbeam light on. All we have to do is supply a constant +12v instead to the pin that says "From High Beam Switch" & connect the other side of the coil (little spiral in the relay as per the picture) instead to the switched negative side of the lamp. That way the relay coil will activate when the high beams are turned on & the "on/off" switch in the diagram is also on.

              Any questions?
              Richard
              2011 GXL TD Auto Prado Silver

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              • #8
                Thanks for the reply's guys,
                The thing I can't figure out is why they come on just by activating
                the dash toggle.
                Other wise all seems normal they come on and off with high beam
                but turn back on when lights are all off and dash toggle is on.
                I'll have a look tomrrow and post instruction sheet and where I
                joined in at the light for the toggle feed.
                Cheers regards
                Darren
                Gun metal grey 06 GXL,3L Turbo Diesel 5 spd
                Sovereign Bull Bar,AirTech snorkel,Cooper Discover ATR's, Dual batteries,17"LCD & DVD,Tinted windows,60L Engel,Sand Grabber mats,Black OX compressor,MAX TRAX,Fitted sheep skins.Aero cargo liner.170 lightforce spottiesBlack widdow storage,
                Reversing camera.
                2" lift booked in9/11/07.

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                • #9
                  Sounds to me like you have picked up a constant power source for your trigger wire, would explain why when you click the switch they come on. That means the relay would have to have a state change and would then have required power from somewhere.
                  2000 GXL. 3.4lt V6, ARB Sahara Bar, IPF's, foglights, 2 inch lift (OME), Cooper ST's 265/75/16
                  GME 3600 UHF, Nokia CK-7W car Kit

                  Soon to have HD Towbar and Snorkel. Maybe even lockers!

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                  • #10
                    Remember that the Prado's low beam / high beam system operates with the low beam on all of the time. I made the same mistake when I was trying to wire up my spotties. I had turned the high beam on and tested the wires with a multimeter to see which one had power - then used the first one I found - and my spotties came on with low beam and high beam.

                    I had picked up the low beam power wire ops: Eliminated this wire from the search. Checked again and picked up the high beam power wire .. and the system now works as it should.

                    This is my "Electro-klutz" explanation ...

                    Cheers
                    Chippy

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                    • #11
                      How do I attatch a scanned picture???

                      Relay configured as follows

                      87 White to spot lights
                      85 Black and red
                      86 Black& yellow
                      30 + yellow (through fuse)
                      plus Black & yellow
                      high beam tap looking at plug is on the left(vertical)
                      Toggle switch wire red/Black + high beam tap
                      driving lights white plus seperate ground on lights.
                      power yellow.
                      for negative switch instructions say join both black and yellows,instead of grounding 86.

                      All help appreciated guys I'm positive it's as per their diagram.
                      Thanks for all the help.
                      Regards Darren.
                      Gun metal grey 06 GXL,3L Turbo Diesel 5 spd
                      Sovereign Bull Bar,AirTech snorkel,Cooper Discover ATR's, Dual batteries,17"LCD & DVD,Tinted windows,60L Engel,Sand Grabber mats,Black OX compressor,MAX TRAX,Fitted sheep skins.Aero cargo liner.170 lightforce spottiesBlack widdow storage,
                      Reversing camera.
                      2" lift booked in9/11/07.

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                      • #12
                        OK Darren ... time to simplify.

                        Check out StormyKnight's relay diagram ..




                        There are 2 simple circuits.
                        The first one has power coming in at 30 and out at 87 to the driving lights.
                        The second has power (from the high beam wire) coming in at 86 and earth at 85.

                        Simplicity itself. When the high beam is turned on the circuit (86 - 85) is activated and triggers the other circuit (30 - 87) allowing power to the driving lights.

                        So ... (and we'll ignore the driving light switch on the dash for a minute)

                        1. Run a wire from the battery +ve, through a fuse, to 30.
                        2. Run a wire (or pair of wires) from 87 to the driving lights .. and don't forget the earth for your driving lights.
                        3. Tap into your high beam wire and run a wire from there to 86. Sorry, I hate scotch locks. I would solder this on then shrink tube or tape it shut.
                        4. Run a wire from 85 to an earth.

                        You now have a completed driving light circuit with the driving lights only coming on when the high beam is turned on.

                        Last bit ...

                        This is where you fit the driving light switch.
                        You cut the wire that goes from the high beam wire to 86.
                        Join each end to a pair of wires that run through the firewall and up to the dash mounted switch.

                        In effect .. all you have done is put an extra switch in that wire from the high beam to the relay ... you've just used longer wire so you can position it more conveniently on the dash.

                        Not trying to teach your grandmother to suck eggs ... I just often find it easier to take a problem right back to basics and build up from there. It often helps eliminate my own frequent brain farts :lol: :lol:

                        Cheers
                        Chippy

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                        • #13
                          Okay this is why I'm getting frustrated.

                          What you have explained is as per the first diagram in the instructions.
                          Simply put the lights wont work as there is no active on the light.(high beam)it's switched negative.(high beam tap)
                          To get around this who ever designed the circuit looped 30 & 86
                          thus giving direct power when the dash toggle is used.
                          Appart from this the lights function as they should via the high beam stork switch.spotty's on/off with high beam.

                          Thanks for the help guys
                          2 sparky's at work couldn't work it out either.
                          Never come accross nagative switching light circuit.
                          Gun metal grey 06 GXL,3L Turbo Diesel 5 spd
                          Sovereign Bull Bar,AirTech snorkel,Cooper Discover ATR's, Dual batteries,17"LCD & DVD,Tinted windows,60L Engel,Sand Grabber mats,Black OX compressor,MAX TRAX,Fitted sheep skins.Aero cargo liner.170 lightforce spottiesBlack widdow storage,
                          Reversing camera.
                          2" lift booked in9/11/07.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sublib25
                            To get around this who ever designed the circuit looped 30 & 86
                            Which defeats the whole purpose of having a relay .. they may as well just have a wire, from the battery, through a switch, to the lights. :? :shock: :?

                            Cheers
                            Chippy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Chippy
                              Originally posted by sublib25
                              To get around this who ever designed the circuit looped 30 & 86
                              Which defeats the whole purpose of having a relay .. they may as well just have a wire, from the battery, through a switch, to the lights. :? :shock: :?

                              Cheers
                              Chippy
                              No not so fast Chippy.....

                              As I mentioned above to use a negative switching circuit - connect a constant 12V to pin 86 (coincidently you will also have a constant 12V on pin 30 to actaully power the lights.) so you can hook these two together.

                              Now to get the relay to switch you need to hook pin 85 to ground. Now in a negative switching system your highbeam switch is used to do this so we just need to tap into that circuit .... before the actaul high beam switch. i.e at the lamp itself so that like ou higbeam light, our relay will also come on.

                              If this is still unclear I will edit the relay diagram & the circuit diagram for negative switching & post that. Your diagram that you have you will need to post it onto the web somewhere & then link it to this forum using the IMG/IMG tags - with brackets [].

                              Also....one thing to be aware of.......pin 85 which hooks to the other side of the highbeam lamp......if the lamp is off, this point will have 12volts on it via the lamp filement. So if we were to connect pin 86 to ground our relay would energize!...the current thru the highbeam lamp would be insuffiecient to make it come on because the coil of the relay draws very little power, but it would be sufficient to turn the relay on. This is how the relay can turn on even if the highbeams are off! And further....if you are using 12v from your accesories for your spotties switch, when the accesories is turned off it will go to ground - not open circuit, so there is another way that the lights might be comming on.

                              Is this a possibility sublib? That your toggle switch is connecting to ground when the switch is in the off position?

                              ....persist mate...we will get it sorted :lol:

                              & PS how do you know that your vehicle is negative switching....other people with Prados here are indicating that it is positively switched.

                              Cheers
                              Richard
                              Richard
                              2011 GXL TD Auto Prado Silver

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