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  • Odd number of driving lights illegal???

    pairs to me means two.

    Interesting that it doesn't specify a maximum number, I always thought there was a limit of 6... maybe different in different states or another urban myth.

    Guess if you hadn't researched this, you could have pleaded ignorance! Also, the chances of being pulled over just because of that extra light would be slim I'd think, especially in a well maintained vehicle. Get pulled over for something else though, and it might get added to the infringements, but you'd be pretty stiff. No mention of the penalty associated?

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    Very ambigious indeed.

    However, the Revised 3rd Edition of the Macquarie Dictionary says under definition number 6 of the word pair "a span or team"

    I believe that you could justify 'a team' of lights across the front, they are symmetrical after all??

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    • #3
      Re: Odd number of driving lights illeagel????

      Rather than start a new thread i thought i would dig up this really old one. obviously there have been a few post deleted so the info is a bit slim.

      I am looking at getting rid of my 25 year old 140 hellas and putting on some decent spots (roos are really bad since it finally remembered how to rain)
      HID's seem the go but i havent decided on what brand/size yet. What i want to work out first is the legalities of 3 spots across the front in South OZ.

      I spoke to a couple of PP members last weekend at the GTG and they told me spots must be in "pairs" and therefore 3 would be illegal. i have been trying without success to find the actual ADR regarding this to see if there might be a loophole, for example could i mount 3 spots on the bullbar and one smaller one on the roofrack, would this be considered pairs?

      I realize that a couple of HID's would be a vast improvement on my current set up, but i reckon 2 spot and 1 spread HID would be the ants pants, and i quite like the look of 3 on the front.

      Any advice on where to find the legislation would be appreciated.

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      • #4
        Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

        for example could i mount 3 spots on the bullbar and one smaller one on the roofrack, would this be considered pairs?
        From what I've been told; mounting them on the roof rack is also a not allowed in SA.

        Any advice on where to find the legislation would be appreciated
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        • #5
          Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

          In Qld you need the lights to be equally spaced from the centre in pairs. There are also rules on heights. Whether these are state only regs or reflect the ADRs I don't know. As Mick suggests give the local Dept against Transport a call. I have found our guys to be pretty approachable and reasonable.
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          • #6
            Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

            Regardless of whether this is the case in various places, can anyone suggest why there would be any reason to doubt odd numbers could be unsafe? Sounds absurd to me.
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            • #7
              Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

              Ask Team Piggy. He nearly got defected for the centre spotlight. Fortunately, it was disconnected and was 'for show' only.

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              • #8
                Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                Originally posted by FlyingBushPig
                Regardless of whether this is the case in various places, can anyone suggest why there would be any reason to doubt odd numbers could be unsafe? Sounds absurd to me.
                I tend to think the same, from what i understand i can have 4 spotties but not 3. Seems like a stupid rule to me.

                Originally posted by amts
                Ask Team Piggy. He nearly got defected for the centre spotlight. Fortunately, it was disconnected and was 'for show' only.
                yeah i remember reading that a while ago, that is why i started asking questions before going the 3 light route. otherwise i probably would have just done it without realising.

                BTW one of the locals here in Loxton has been driving around with only 1 enourmous spotty on the front of his ute for at least 10 years, definately not "a pair"and never been hassled.

                Thanks MickL, will try and call Regency and see what i can find out.

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                  I believe it's something to do with being able to determine what's coming towards you at night. 3 lights may mean 3 bikes etc. There's also a height limit, off the top of my head I think it's 1200mm, hence why roof rack lights are not roadworthy.

                  I haven't read the ADR for ages however I always thought it was only 6 forward facing white lights and in pairs. These days, with 2 headlights, 2 foglights and 2 spotlights we're already at the limit of 6.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                    We had an SA copper come out to our 4wd club a few months back. He drives a Patrol and his name was Paul Bryant. I've seen a lot of posts from him on Patrol forums. Anyway, the deal with the lights is yes they must be in pairs and no they can not be on the roof rack as they is a maximum height. HID driving lights are allowed but not HID head lights unless you have auto leveling. He DID NOT mention that you needed washers to go with the head lights.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                      Originally posted by D4D
                      I haven't read the ADR for ages however I always thought it was only 6 forward facing white lights and in pairs. These days, with 2 headlights, 2 foglights and 2 spotlights we're already at the limit of 6.
                      Its just like a group brainstorming session, when people say something and it makes you think of a whole other possibility. My plan is to replace the soverign bar with an ARB deluxe bar and then put the new lights on. In 6 years of owning a Prado i have not once used my fog lights :!: might have to look into putting a couple of spread beams in place of the fog lights, and a couple of HID spots in the normal place, i also recall people using the fog light switch as the in cab isolating switch for the spotties, which seems a really neat set up. 8)

                      Even if this caused a few legal issues, you would need a really on the ball copper to work it out :wink:

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                        From what I've read on a few different forums etc the fog lights aren't considered as driving lights and fall into a category of their own - Fogs must be below headlight level and will not interfere with other road users on low beam (in fog conditions you do use them on low beam). Driving lights need to be below bonnet level and lower than 1200mm from road surface level. They must be symmetrical and only come on with high beam. As to having lights on a bull bar, I believe they can be there if they're not set up for on road driving - i.e. they need to be specified as either "show" lights or off-road/rally lights and somehow you need to prove that's the case.

                        Now, how you define "symmetrical" could mean all sorts of things"
                        Oxford dictionary:

                        symmetrical
                        Pronunciation:/s??m?tr?k(?)l/
                        adjective
                        made up of exactly similar parts facing each other or around an axis ; showing symmetry

                        Which means they could be facing all sorts of directions if it were about an axis :lol:

                        So it seems as long as they are aligned nicely you can have at least 4 spots, 2 fogs on the bar. To me "symmetrical" doesn't mean pairs and I'd be quite happy to put 3 in a row.
                        Cheers - Phil Taylor

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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                          Just remember that number of lights and tyre size and etc... is all state laws. It might be guided by ADR and NCOP (eventually) but is at the States discression to alter.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                            3 spotlights = NO.

                            I have 3 x Hella Rallye 4k on mine, I "acciddentaly" disconnected the middle one before going thru the vehicle inspection station. It was OK as a "show" only, but if it illuminated I would have been defected.

                            Centre line of lights cannot be above lowest point of windscreen, distances apart and minimum and maximum heights also apply, check state laws to find what applies to you.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd number of driving lights illegal???

                              http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/safet ... hicles.pdf

                              i just found this link to the queensland transport website. vehicle standards instruction "AUXILIARY DRIVING LAMPS FITTED TO MOTOR VEHICLES"

                              no mention of odd or even numbers. just that 2 pairs may be fitted and must be symmetrical. i would argue that if they tried to ping me.

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